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[dupe] Kimchi: The latest update to Mina's zero-knowledge proof system (cryptologie.net)
43 points by baby on June 4, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 9 comments




Generally speaking, this is one of the underrated technologies in the market. I can't really imagine what social implication would this have. Just imagine a society where zk implementations are heavily used.


FWIW, Hannu's _The Quantum Thief_'s The Oubliette society is the closest I've ever seen to imagining a society built on ZKPs & similar crypto.


If there is actually substance here then they should hire a competent technical writer, the way this is written seems designed to irritate and/or obfuscate. ZK stuff is complicated enough without superfluous nonsense.


How anyone can read that text and not see that they are being burried under piles of bullshit, is beyond me.


David knows his stuff; this isn't BS. Having a way to program arbitrary zero knowledge proofs sounds v. useful.


PLONK and friends are interesting cryptography. What makes you call this bullshit, exactly?


Although I think this comment is a little too negative, it is quite difficult to tell that this article isn't some sort of joke until about half way through. The entire introduction is boxes-in-boxes labelled with condiments that could easily be a hilarious parody. I was trying to figure out if I was being hoaxed until around the arithmetic circuits - where at least the notation gets interesting.

I'm still not sure.


tl;dr: they optimized their libraries, and they want you to believe it without actual proof, which wraps the concept of zero proof on itself.

> Pickles now uses an upgraded proof system: Kimchi. Kimchi brings several optimizations and quality-of-life improvements to circuit builders. This should allow for faster provers, larger circuits, and potentially shorter proof sizes!




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