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Your response on VoC propaganda is to double down on even worse FLG propaganda?


This is from the British government and Amnesty International.


A casual Google search will turn up evidence.

Just one example of many: Uyghur workers, complete with police guards, are being supplied to factories throughout China.

"Another new advertisement claimed to be able to supply 1,000 Uyghur workers aged 16 to 18 years. It reads: ‘The advantages of Xinjiang workers are: semi-military style management, can withstand hardship, no loss of personnel … Minimum order 100 workers!’. The advertisement also said that factory managers can apply for current Xinjiang police to be stationed at their factory 24 hours a day, and that the workers could be delivered (along with an Uyghur cook) within 15 days of the signing of a one-year contract (Figure 9)."

https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale

Another piece of evidence: comprehensive mapping of a network of 380 detention facilities:

https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/explainers/exploring-xinjiangs-dete...

This page, "The Xinjiang Data Project", hosts a series of ongoing reports and data from Xinjiang:

https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/


Yeah a casual google search lead straight to US/AU funded ASPI propaganda and other western MSM that tries to portray CCP dickwaving publically about poverty alleviation via Rural Labour Transfer Programs that has employed tens millions in every province in PRC as forced labour. ASPI report was follow up by Zenz from Jamestown that this is coerce labour, laundered by MSM as slave labour, used by US gov to coordinate XJ sanctions. That's how the playook works. Pieces bury context that pay is above regional income, companies are subsidized or pressured by gov to take on these workers that no one wants, which uplifts them substantially above 600M rural Chinese in informal economy stuck on 1000rmb / month that already havel language skills to and better suited to be productive workers. PRC has no shortage of excess Han labourers.

All the current "mapping projects" consistently conflate schools and other facilities with detention camps to boost the numbers because security features found in schools all over PRC somehow = concentration camp in XJ. There's a reason for resorting to commercial satellite imaging with shit spatial resolution to weave narrative, because they can't get any compelling info on ground, but even lack of access doesn't explain the sheer inability to find any compelling photo/video evidence to support their genocide/slave labour narrative in ~10 years, nowhere in PRC is that opaque. The other component of data project tracks cultural erasure, whic is fair, rapidly developing Chinese regions with high YoY GDP growth that aggressives purges everything old does that with helping hand of state coordinated sinicization efforts. But TBF cultural assimilation has alwasy been permissible toolkit of state.


Leave it to the HN user base to be the most credulous people alive when it comes to China. Every time there’s a blatant US-funded think tank generated hit piece on China, the hackers lap it up and start grandstanding about the glory of the West.


Then please raise some of the issues about about the content of the leak or its methodology, if your only complaint is that the think tank (VoC) is US-funded, I don't see how how your criticism holds any value.


If you'd ever wondered what pro-CCP astroturfing looks like, this is a pretty good example of the typical playbook.

- Muddy the waters by discounting very real evidence ("the only evidence are verbal testimonies and generic 'leaks'")

- Point fingers at the US for entirely unrelated things ("unlike forever US prison industrial complex where mass internment is the goal")

Repeat ad nauseum. I see comments like this _all_ the time here on and on Twitter and it never ceases to blow my mind how deeply people are willing to shove their head in the sand in order to justify the actions of their government.

The CCP is actively engaging in a genocidal campaign against a religious and ethnic minority and lying about it on the world stage. That is a fact, and no amount of reframing or American blame-shifting is going to change that.


If you'd ever wondered what pro-CIA astroturfing looks like, this is a pretty good example of the typical playbook.

- Accuse someone of being a shill without addressing argument - Dismiss completely valid comparisons as whataboutism

Repeat ad nauseum. It never ceases to blow my mind how deeply people are willing to shove their head in the sand in order to justify the misinformation funded by their government.

US intelligence aactively manufacturing genocide campaign against geopolitical competitor and lying about it on the world stage. That is a face, and no amount of reframing or PRC blame shifting is going to change that.


Yeah see this is essentially what I'm talking about. dirtyid isn't really willing to engage with the points I made about China itself, so instead they try to divert attention to the CIA (??) It's almost comical how underhanded and ineffective this type of debate is. It's as if you're trying to have a debate about the actions of Enron and your opponent insists on bringing up how what Bernie Madoff did was worse.

My friend, I'm a Canadian. I have nothing good to say about the CIA. But I have far, far worse to say about the most bloody and repressive totalitarian regime present in the world right now. You and every other ignorant pawn have blood on your hands, and I hope some day you feel rightfully ashamed.




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