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a numerically inferior force (the US / Russia) up against an adversary (North Korea + China / Ukraine) funded, armed with modern tech by a powerful entity (USSR / NATO)

and the point I'm trying to make is that it is laughable to compare fighting a modern military to Iraq and Afghanistan



Russia is the numerically inferior force vs. Ukraine in this example? Uhm OK.


I understand where did you get the impression that Russia is waging a total war, but they only have 200K or so troops deployed in Ukraine


The 2003 US invasion of Iraq was launched with 160,000 troops on the ground.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/02/18/sprj.irq.deploymen...

Russian forces in the 1st & 2nd Chechen wars (1994--6 and 1999--2009, respectively) were in the 70k -- 80k range.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

A force of 200,000 is a very considerable invasion force.


> A force of 200,000 is a very considerable invasion force.

Yes, but Ukraine has 900k reservists and a reason to activate them all.

Russia, thus far, has hoped to avoid having to do a big manpower increase.


According to Zelensky, Ukraine has now 700 000 on active duty.


This includes all the security apparatus. Police (quite numerous), prison guards, military cadets, security services and, of course, National Guard and Armed Forces. But from those many are guarding bases and other important objects, training, staying in reserve, etc. The fighting force is much smaller than those 700 thousand.


They're still not totally comparable. US was having to force project across an ocean while Russia seems to be having issues just past its boarders, despite being geared towards land wars, judging by their lack of progress and signs of logistical desperation in abandoned camps.

Much of Ukraine's equipment is Soviet era just like Russia's is. USSR was a direct belligerent in the Korean War, not just a supporter like NATO is.

Prior to the start of this conflict Russia had superior numbers and pounced before Ukraine mobilized.

Russia also has the massive advantage of being able to strike from their own and neighboring territories without retaliation.

Constant nuclear-whining is preventing NATO from performing air interventions like the USSR saw fit to do during the Korean and Vietnam war.

Too many differences in variables. Russia's incompetence alone does not make this comparable.




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