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[cestith]

Do you think a 15 year old Dell is going to match the performance of any new machine? "Old" is not the same thing as "low end".

[Terretta → cestith]

> Do you think a 15 year old Dell is going to match the performance of any new machine?

Well, yes? We aren't that much faster since 2010 if you had true top end then and true low end now.

But since talking Macs and Chromebooks, let pull up those:

- Geekbench MacBook Pro 2010 15": 2.66GHz Intel Core i7 (i7-620M): 457 single, 972 multi

- https://www.ebay.com/itm/304426589491?hash=item46e13d1d33:g:...

And a currently shipping Chromebook, when sorting price low to high:

- HP 4BS38UA HP Chromebook 14 IPS HD (1366x768) Intel Celeron N3350: 288 single, 523 multi

- https://www.amazon.com/HP-Chromebook-1366x768-Bluetooth-14-c...

In this case, the 2010 Mac smokes the Chromebook. To be fair, that model became available in 2018.

So, something current?

Acer Chromebooks w/ Intel Celeron N4020 have pretty bad benchmarks (~320-460 single, ~320-500 multi) but the CPU itself rates better:

- Celeron N4020 benchmark: 427 single, 750 multi

That's in currently shipping gear, like this HP introduced fall 2021:

https://www.amazon.com/HP-Chromebook-Micro-Edge-Portable-14a...

Given these scores are comparing 2010 laptops with 2021 laptops, and the 2010 laptop wins (and can be bought at around the same price!), certainly if comparing a 15 year old workstation with cheapest available machine today, yes, the 15 year old Dell will exceed the performance of at least some new machines.

Note:

- Xeon in Mac Pro in 2010 rated 611 single, 6280 multi

By comparison, in 2008 Mac Pro workstation:

- Intel Xeon E5462 2800 MHz (8 cores) rated 420 single and 2540 multi

Dell workstations at that time supported 5400 series Xeons.

[cestith → Terretta]

And the M1 Mac Mini gets... guess what? 1744 single core and 7732 multi core.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=m1+Mac+mini

The Air gets 1744 and 7711.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q...

So no, by your own ranting the M1 mini is not a low-end desktop easily matched by free 15-year-old hardware.

[Terretta → cestith]

> by your own ranting the M1 mini is not a low-end desktop

Sharing research is ranting? Anyway, post I replied to asked:

> "Do you think a 15 year old Dell is going to match the performance of any new machine?"

Interesting proposition!

So I responded to "any new machine" using the earlier Chromebooks as the baseline.

[cestith → Terretta]

What's the power draw on your fifteen year old Dell? What's the thermal displacement? What generation of NVMe drives does it support?