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"some undefined group of people decided to coup"

Not undefined. Ukrainians. Some of whom died for their convictions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan



> Not undefined. Ukrainians. Some of whom died for their convictions.

Thank you. So a group of Ukrainians organised a coup against a legitimately elected president instead of substituting him with another legitimately elected individual at the next election cycle. This is a valuable insight for everyone who claims that Ukraine is a democratic state.


"This is a valuable insight for everyone who claims that Ukraine is a democratic state."

First.

I think my words matter very little. What matters is the unquestionable sacrifice, dedication and love the Ukrainians are showing to their country.

This war is a war of genocide and as such an unspeakable, heinous act.

Secondly.

Nonsense. Who else would control Ukraine except Ukrainians themselves?

Please read the Wikipedia link on Maidan above.

Ukrainians are proving with their blood and dedication they wish to be a single democratic people aligned with the west.

Ukraine was turning to an authoritarian dictatorship strongly aligned with Kremlin at the cost of civil society and political rights of her citizens.

Maidan was a color revolution expressing the outrage of people who wanted to be politically aligned with the west, not with Russia.

The opposition leaders were jailed (much like Navalny now in Russia).

The EU trade agreement was depending on structural changes, among them the release of the political opposition.

Yes, it was part of political struggle.

It was a part of struggle of open society versus autocracy.

Much like the war in Ukraine continues to be.


> Nonsense. Who else would control Ukraine except Ukrainians themselves?

Was there a referendum for joining the EU or was it a political program? You know, at least something that would resemble the UK referendum for leaving the EU. Otherwise how else do you know what the majority of Ukrainians want long-term as a nation?

> It was a part of struggle of open society versus autocracy.

oh yes, the open society of the Panama and Pandora papers [1][2]. Two consecutive presidents that can't help themselves from being anti-autocracy.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/04/panama-papers-u...

[2] https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandora-papers/pandora-papers-r...


"the open society of the Panama and Pandora papers [1][2]. Two consecutive presidents that can't help themselves from being anti-autocracy."

Western institutions stand firm. The fact that you have even heard of panama papers is a proof of this fact.

Democracy is not a joke, it is standing fast. Regardless of the attempts of the autocracies to claim otherwise, or sow dissent by nefarious "whataboutism".

Nobody is "good", everyone does mistakes. They key to understand in the west is the belief of the people in the institutions, and the self correcting dynamic a western style of government instills into a nation.

To get a high level understanding of the situation I recommend Darren Acemoglus "why nations fail" which tries (and in my mind succeeds) in explaining what distinguishes western style of government from more closed autocracies (and how and why it's better in many ways, even though not perfect).




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