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Tesla Motors Picks San Jose for $250 Million 'Model S' Plant and HQ (treehugger.com)
10 points by MikeCapone on Sept 17, 2008 | hide | past | favorite | 9 comments


I predict they will fail as a result. California is among the least business-friendly of states, especially if you are making a physical product. How much equipment does Cisco make in San Jose?


But California is one of the most aggressive alternative energy promoting states. They are motivated:

> California offered incentives worth about $15 million and possibly more. That includes waiving rent for the first 10 years of the 40-year lease on the San Jose property and waiving state sales tax on $100 million worth of equipment.


California is one of the most aggressive alternative energy promoting states.

Not really.

http://news.google.com/news?q=fresno%20nuclear

The Fresno Nuclear Energy Group has ignored a current state ban on new nuclear power plants.


Nuclear Energy _is_ alternative enery - alternative to Coal, Natural Gas or Oil fired generation.

It produces polution in reasonably small quantities which, unlike fossil generation, doesn't get thrown into the atmosphere.

A mixed Nuke/Renewable infrastructure, backed with gravity hydro reservoirs and a smallish number of gas turbine plants to absorb load spikes, is probably the most realistic and reliable way to stop throwing junk into the atmosphere in the short term.


backed with gravity hydro reservoirs ... is probably the most realistic ... in the short term.

There seems to be a relative concensus among engineers that Compressed Air Energy Storage (CAES) makes the most sense for grid energy storage in the longer term.

http://topics.energycentral.com/centers/gentech/view/detail....

In Europe, a group of researchers are studying a different [from standard CAES] approach. It eliminates fuel consumption altogether, so that the system functions as a pure storage facility. They call it Advanced Adiabatic CAES.

The idea for AACAES is that, in the charge cycle, hot compressed air is passed through a counter-flow heat exchanger before being sent to its storage cavern. The compressed air transfers its heat to a thermal storage fluid, which then enters a well-insulated storage tank of its own. In the discharge cycle, both flows are reversed, and the cool compressed air from the storage cavern recovers most of the heat it gave up before being stored. The now-hot compressed air exiting the heat exchanger drives an expander turbine to generate power.

If the heat exchanger and thermal storage work well, then efficiencies approaching those achieved with pumped hydroelectric storage should be possible.


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There's an 'edit' link for a reason, replying to your own reply is just silly.


This reminds me a little of Steve Jobs, his endeavour and strategy for NeXT, with their own factory in California.

Perhaps Testla will have the same fate as NeXT, bought by an auto giant if they fail to go mainstream with their expensive, though great, cars.


I think they'll have a worse fate than NeXT. When the time comes for electric cars to go mainstream, the big car companies will just muscle in on Tesla's territory -- there's no need to buy them since (as far as I know) they don't own any of the key parts of the technology.

Tesla might survive as a niche manufacturer in the long run, but their small head-start in the electric car game isn't enough to make up for (say) Toyota's huge existing infrastructure.


they are expensive if you compare to a civic....but the exotic look pretty much makes you compare it to the high end exotic looking cars like the Audi R8




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