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> 1. bigger and much more capable interplanetary probes

The limitation there is capable RTGs, not launch vehicles.

> 2. a much cheaper Webb telescope

Webb couldn't have fit into a Starship fairing either.

> 3. build a base on the moon

For whom? Launching stuff is one thing, but you'd need to design, build, maintain, and supply such station. If you think the ISS was expensive, a Moon base would dwarf the ISS costs. Even if launches would be cheaper, there's still a lot of logistics and support behind such station, which is one of the reasons no one did it yet.

> 4. make a mission to Mars possible

That could be done without Starship - as much as I think Zubrin has drifted into the nut job corner over the past decade, he still has a point: crewed Mars missions would've been possible since the 1980s.



> Webb couldn't have fit into a Starship fairing either.

Let's all quit at the very first obstacle!

Did you know that a lot of things don't fit into a 747, either?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Shuttle_Carrier_Aircra...

The lunar lander also didn't fit into a Saturn V.

Don't tell engineers what they can't do.


> Don't tell engineers what they can't do.

I don't - just a small hint there: Webb fit just fine into an Ariane V fairing...


It does, at $20B cost. A simpler JWST that takes advantage of the large fairing of Starship will cost less and take less time to build


You know what costs even less? Building a larger fairing.

Atlas V has different fairing sizes for different payload types as well.

Sure, a bigger fairing will simplify a space telescope, but you still need to fold it and the bulk of the costs went into developing instruments and the mirror.

There's nothing "simple" about a state-of-the-art scientific instrument. If you want Hubble 2.0, NASA has two of them just lying around for over a decade now; gifted to them by the NRO.

You know how much converting them to useful scientific instruments costs? According to the latest report, it's about $3.2 billion so please give me a break with your "simpler and cheaper because fairing".


A lot of people wondered why Boeing was blowing all this money developing the 747. Who needed an airplane that big?

It turned out to be the biggest moneymaker ever for Boeing - and the people who bought them.


And look what happened - the A380, an even bigger plane - was discontinued because it turned out smaller planes are more economical.


> because it turned out smaller planes are more economical

Per seat the A380 is still the cheapest way of moving a person by air. The 777X should beat it, but it's not in service yet.

The problems with the A380 were (1) it wasn't aerodynamically radical enough to maintain that advantage beyond one generation of airliners and (2) you need to fill it to compensate for (1)



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