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Given the foolish notion of not prosecuting, nor attempting to stop any theft under $950, it's a wonder that any businesses are left in San Francisco.

Chicago has decided to follow in this folly. I expect it to rapidly implode as a result.



I don't understand not prosecuting theft at all. There are like 2 things which are super clearly bad and the government should stop (1) theft and (2) violence.

People shouldn't get life sentences for petty theft, but they should get a pretty severe punishment.


You need to understand that Madoff is one thing and the people stealing formula because they don’t have the means are on entirely different universes.

Punishing these people “severely” will generally lead to the same kind of behavior happening. You can’t punish these people out of poverty.


The organized thefts that result from not punishing crime at all fall into a new category, and are effectively a seed funding round for a new layer of criminality.


Less than 15% of all thefts result in an arrest. Prosecution is not making the difference. This has been a problem for literal decades.


The threat of it alone can be (and apparently is) a deterrent to some people. The risk/reward ratio is tipped all the way to reward.


Tossing desperate people into prison makes them desperate people with a criminal record that makes them more desperate. Have you ever known anyone with a felony on their record trying to get their life on track? It's hard, and you might be surprised at what can get you charged with one. Even a non-felony conviction can cause trouble getting decent work.


> Tossing desperate people into prison makes them desperate people with a criminal record that makes them more desperate.

Misdemeanors don't result in prison (or very significant jail time). They may even lead just to a diversion program or community service.

Visibly having no consequences for crime, OTOH, does lead to more crime.


You're not wrong with respect to the difficulty and stigma you mention, but we can't just let it be OK to steal from others. To address those legit concerns, we need to focus our efforts on our prison systems and local governments.


> Chicago has decided to follow in this folly. I expect it to rapidly implode as a result.

Are you saying it hasn't long-since imploded already?


This is has been the pattern for a long time. I’ve lived in SF for 20 years and the cops don’t go after small time thieves.


They seem to have given up on murder as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/15/brian-egg-sa...


C'mon, prosecuting people stealing basic necessities[1], and small personal use items[2] are not gonna keep rich corporations from going out of business. We have to defend the marginalized, or else late stage capitalism will turn us all into slave wage laborers.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEuoSmW4DRw

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhCTrcTzFYQ


It's not Aladdin stealing a loaf of bread.. These are organized crime rings that are stealing to resell to "fences" who then resell the goods online or at flea markets. If you ran a business, I'm sure you'd see it differently. Almost no one is going hungry in America and certainly not SF, where we have generous social services.


10M children are food insecure. https://www.childrensdefense.org/state-of-americas-children/...

This is not to negate your point about SMBs.

But to remind that yes, children do go hungry every day in the US.

I was one of them.


And in SF there are multiple places literally giving free food and groceries. That’s not the issue at all.


Holy shit.

In the first video there's a clip with a security guy confronting the person stealing and they just keep grabbing things as if he didn't exist. It's a bad comedy if it wasn't real.




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