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Why the U.S. Navy Never Built Titanium Submarines Like Russia (nationalinterest.org)
14 points by 1cvmask on Oct 28, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 10 comments



Other reasons:

- The US had better submarine-launched ballistic missiles and operated close to Soviet waters; by contrast the Soviet Union needed to sneak past NATO and other US allies in order to get to patrol areas. The priorities are different.

- The main producer of titanium in those years was the Soviet Union, and the US maintained a strategic reserve of the metal, which had uses in airplane building.


"To begin with, titanium is an extraordinarily rare and expensive metal"

Titanium is the ninth most abundant element in the Earth's crust. Titanium ore is literally cheap as dirt. Titanium metal may be expensive, but it's not because titanium is rare.


Russia had so much titanium that it used it to make razorblades and even street lamps, it had far less access to steel and especially high end steel so it experimented with titanium for a lot of weird applications including submarines.

It did became quite expert at machining and more importantly open air welding of titanium.


I wonder why they didn't leverage their Ti mfg prowess into mfg'ing Ti consumer products such as Ti flashlights, Ti tools, Ti bike frames, etc. Even Apple got on the Ti bandwagon to prop up their flagging laptop line before they xitioned to Intel CPUs


Russia has always struggled to export goods effectively due to relative lack of easy access to year round ports.

They also don’t have effective investment or capital use due to corruption.

Also, it’s a massive country and moving things around is hard, especially with the often unco-operative weather.

So many reasons.


Probably because that was during the USSR and by the 90’s everything collapsed and oil was easier to export than titanium.

I don’t think much of their manufacturing capacity and institutional knowledge as far as processing titanium survived the collapse of the USSR.


They refer to titanium metal, not the ore, as being an expensive and rare metal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium


If they meant not much is produced, that can hardly be an objection to its use, as it's always possible to scale up production.


It is incredibly energy intensive to produce, as in makes Aluminum seem easy.

There are many issues with the Russian economy around effective scaling of things, and while there was a time where massive amounts of electricity were easy to get and use, that time has passed and much of the infrastructure that produced it in the past is rotting and failing.


But then the production of something else would have had to suffer.




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