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> are reddit and HN comments, neither of which I'd put in the category of conscious manipulators.

Reddit is absolutely in the family of conscious manipulators-- even if it is somewhat less effective at it than facebook or twitter.

Particularly many of the characteristics of the 'new' interface were designed specifically with the intent of increasing "engagement" and they use those usage metrics to drive their further optimizations.

(e.g. infinite scroll, inlining images in the scroll to reduce clicking, aggressively pushing the mobile app and/or login to improve tracking. They've also recently started half-logging-out users who've opted out of 'new', so you have to click login to get your preference honored).




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