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Right now at this moment my 60 year old SiL is holed up in her apartment with covid. She refused to get the vaccine. She believes that there are lizard people who live beneath the earth's crust, etc. She found a "doctor" to prescribe her ivermectin - the "doctor" does not allow vaccinated people into their clinic for whatever bizarre reason (sPIkE pRoTeenZ no doubt).

We asked her to take a pic of her oximeter reading and send it to us - it read 91. We told her she should get to a hospital where they could give her some oxygen, but she refuses (doesn't want to be in "the system"). She is the poster child for disingenuous skepticism and it's impossible to have a "genuine conversation" with her because she's so infected with conspiracy theories (including the Q conspiracy).



> She is the poster child for disingenuous skepticism

She doesn't seem at all disingenuous to me, what actions make you doubt her genuinity? To me it sounds like she may have some mental health issues to work out and that is an entirely different beast than this conversation.


Why do you believe that “mental health issues” (very non-specific) is an entirely different beast? My family experiences suggest that information silos (my personal diagnosis of one of the root causes of disbelief of reproducible scientific findings) can and do create mental health issues similar to the parent’s SiL.


There is good reason to not want to be in the system. During COVID, both my aunt and grandmother were abused during their hospitalizations (not for COVID). The experience left my aunt feeling she'd rather have died than endure what she had to, and after hearing her experiences, I think that would have been a perfectly rational decision to make had she known what was going to happen.

Why are we so upset when people decide to refuse treatment?


>Why are we so upset when people decide to refuse treatment?

The anecdotal evidence you gave (hospital abuse) is an outlier, not a norm.

A better question is, why wouldn't you be upset when a family member refuses life saving treatment, rationalized by disinformation?


> A better question is, why wouldn't you be upset when a family member refuses life saving treatment, rationalized by disinformation?

Because unless I'm the parents of a minor child, it's ultimately not my decision.


Hopefully someone can help get her script filled. If she doesn't notice improvement after a couple of doses, maybe she'll reconsider hospital. Time is of the essence with ivermectin, early application is more effective.


If ivermectin has any effect against covid (I'm skeptical, but try to keep an open mind) it's likely past the point where it would have been possibly effective as she's over a week into it so the viral replication phase is likely mostly over and it's entered the inflammatory phase (meaning she probably needs steroids at this point).


Hospital best choice if she's that far into it. No harm in getting her the ivm too though if possible.




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