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> You go in and say "Hey my wife is dying and my performance is probably going to be impacted, can something be done?", HR may opt to 'protect' the company by starting to build a case for terminating a low performing employee.

That’s the cynical approach, but most companies don’t actually want to lose valuable employees. This is why they have disability insurance coverage in the first place to help cover those gaps (while having the insurance foot the bill).

Also, in this case the author says he voluntarily warned them his wife was dying of cancer during the interview process. If HR wanted to get rid of him for that, they would have simply found an excuse to not hire him. Instead they gave him an offer.



> That’s the cynical approach, but most companies don’t actually want to lose valuable employees.

While an abstract rational actor like a company might come to this conclusion, day to day line managers often do not come to the same conclusions. A low performing employee affected by personal issues is dead weight on said line manager's budget and headcount, and therefore their metrics and their own performance and promotion. The trickle-down performance model often doesn't incentivize long-term-focused management practices.


Given that the employee was making ~300K, we can figure that his manager is probably making 50% to 100+% more.

I find it mind-boggling that the manager could not find it within himself to give some slack to the employee. I guess maybe he didn't want to slow down the rate at which he was pulling in F-U money.


> I guess maybe he didn't want to slow down the rate at which he was pulling in F-U money.

Bingo! The manager's 10-30% bonus was on the line; and they probably saw the stressed employee not quite through a human lense, but was more of a broken cog that was gumming up the works and tanking the manager's metrics/KPIs.


In my book, those are broken people and managers.


I’m a manager and don’t make 50% to 100+% more than the people that report to me that are around my level.


40% more?


Much less. Teams where the manager is paid less than the engineers that they manage aren't rare either.


Yeah, I'm making about $10k less in salary than someone that reports to me of the same level.


Depends on the org but often new hires make close to the same salary as a manager that's been around for a few years. The difference may be in the bonus though.


Companies don't "want" things. They do not have a single will. Companies are agglomerations of many humans, who have various wills and more importantly various incentives.

Same with "HR," and not only are there multiple people, in large enough companies, there are fairly disconnected teams that handle the various parts of HR, like sourcing candidates, making offers to candidates, supporting managers, handling accommodations and keeping the company on the right side of the law, overseeing budgets and headcount. (If it helps, consider engineering, and the statement, "If engineering didn't want to move their legacy services to public cloud, they would simply have not signed a services contract with this cloud vendor in the first place instead of wasting their money.")

It's entirely possible that every individual on the hiring side genuinely wanted (of their own will) to hire this person anyway, but none of them were the same people who handle working with existing employees, who are all more misanthropic, and they don't talk to each other. It's also possible, and quite a bit more likely, that every individual on the hiring side is incentivized to fill roles, not to retain (how do you give someone an OKR or performance bonus this year based on whether their hires are still around three years in the future, anyway?), and that every individual on the existing-employees side is incentivized to demonstrate that they aren't coddling low performers.

Being employed at a company is a business transaction. It's not cynical to ask what the involved people's financial incentives are and whether they line up with yours, any more than it's cynical to expect that McDonald's will refuse to negotiate on the price of a burger. Even if the employee is nice, they've got a job to do, and they may not be nice.


Most managers don't either and will deal with some amount of loss of productivity...but part of that is also a calculation of "how long will it take to train a new hire X to do poorly performing employee Y's job" as well.

Now I've heard my fair share of people that claim "I was fired because my kid was sick"...and that might have been the final straw, but it was the other 7 unscheduled absences in the last few months that were not covered under family leave laws that were the major factor. Sometimes managers can't wait to terminate those employees because they weren't good anyway and they are just waiting for a reason to fire them in an easy way.


>>but most companies don’t actually want to lose valuable employees.

The word 'valuable' is just a marketing term. Just like the work 'rockstar developer'.

Unless you are like the top 1 - 2 people relevant to a very important project you really are not valuable in any meaningful sense to the company. You might be expensive in terms of time to replace. But you really are not valuable in any real sense. These companies have high attrition rates, people leave all the time and they just do fine.


Amazon is notorious for not caring about its employees, even the valuable ones, and having a very numbers-driven system for evaluating employees.


"but most companies don’t actually want to lose valuable employees."

The whole point is that their actual actions prove that they do not consider any employees valuable.


I found myself in the same situation only a few months ago. I was one of the so-called “valuable employees” and was a primary go-to person at the time. In 2020 we lost around 60% of the total personnel count (40% from layoffs, then more and more over time from attrition) from our entire division so they decided to consolidate teams together meaning I wasn’t only doing the job I was hired to do, now I had to do the work that 4 different dedicated teams had to do at the same time. At the start of 2021, my previous employer decided to shift focus purely on cost saving measures in order to make up for the lost revenue in 2020 and slashed ALL planned work for 2021, was constantly told no on all of my requests to do interesting work and work I wanted to do, and was told not to expect any training budget for the foreseeable future and not to expect any merit raises for the year. I did warn them that they needed to throw me a bone … they needed to give me SOMETHING to stay… some glimmer of hope. And they still said no. That is what made my decision.

It was clear they didn’t care about keeping “top talent” anymore. They just wanted button pushers - and that is what they have now. I have heard of big issues going on now, but it is no longer my problem. Obviously I am no longer there and much happier where I am at now.


No, some element of the people operation whose job performance is in part judged on getting engineers through the door wanted to hire him. Likely all that person cared about was "This engineer will make it X months", where X is based on if the employee separates prior to X the recruiter gets yelled at for sourcing a bad candidate.

Other parts of the org clearly had no issues branding the employee as a low performer and target for termination because their performance reviews.


>That’s the cynical approach, but most companies don’t actually want to lose valuable employees. T

Maybe.

But Amazon isn't most companies.


I actually wish more people got it through their heads that HR _is not_ and _will never be_ their friend or savior. Their only loyalty is only to the company, by design. There are no exceptions to this that I have seen in 25+ years in the industry. The extent of whatever help you might get out of them is whether or not there's a risk that the company would come out worse on the other end if that help is not provided, such as, if you have a thoroughly documented case, the law is on your side, and you're willing and able to enforce your rights. If it's not documented or not protected by law, you'll be screwed by HR 100% of the time.


I think that is overly cynical. While it is true that HR is there to protect the company, there are lots of cases where incentives are aligned and so your benefit is their benefit.


The point (which you half-missed) is that the vast majority of people don't even know what those incentives are and think HR is there for them. Whereas it's only there for "them", as you pointed out, if they could bring a lawsuit against the company, and in no other case. That is, it's not there for "them" at all.


> That’s the cynical approach, but most companies don’t actually want to lose valuable employees.

By Amazon's measuring stick and internal policies, underperforming employees are to be discarded almost immediately, after undergoing a pro-forma performance review program which seems to be tailored to gather accusations to make a termination un-suable.

It is said that Amazon's average tenure is two years.

If there's a company renowned for not giving a damn about their employees, it's Amazon.




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