> In today’s MMWR, a study of COVID-19 infections in Kentucky among people who were previously infected with SAR-CoV-2 shows that unvaccinated individuals are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated after initially contracting the virus. These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections.
I wanted to see this kind of comparison in a study but this pretty poor supporting evidence for vaccine > natural immunity.
1) Low number of people studied.
2) Voluntary testing!!!
3) Testing occurred during the sweet spot for vaccine effectiveness (vaccine would not have waned)
4) No delta variant!!!
5) Not stratified by age group!!!
Can't we get a high statistics study with strict testing!? We have literally hundreds of millions of people who've been vaccinated, and there is no excuse to show me unstratified data as if a 20 year old has the same profile as a 60 year old.
my understanding is that they are "age matched" between the control and test groups (similar age distribution can be found in each). But I want the final result quoted per age bracket. By mixing age groups you may be reducing the impact for the most important ages.
Almost every industry has started to see vaccine mandates or encouragement of vaccination in the past few weeks. While Vanguard is not requiring employees to get the Covid-19 vaccine at this time, it’s providing an incentive to get more workers to get vaccinated. The financial giant will pay $1,000 to each employee who provides proof of the Covid-19 vaccination by Oct. 1. The offer also extends to workers who received their doses before the announcement.
"My only other options are to teach remotely or to seek a medical exemption that would require me to wear a mask, remain socially distanced from faculty or students during, say, office hours, and submit to weekly testing. It would be impossible for me to perform my duties to the best of my ability under such conditions."
There's a lot of discussion, but honestly: I don't think that meets the definition of the word "impossible."
There is no constitutional right to bodily integrity. The legal system is not a mechanism for determining scientific truth. The claim that people with natural immunity don't need vaccination is false. This is just crap. Let's see a more principled lawsuit, please.
If anything I can see confirmations that natural COVID-19 immunity is on par with COVID-19 vaccines with a lot of outside factors that can influence outcomes in either side.
However, it seems that immune system is very complex and does not work with only antibodies. Even though Natural ~ Pfizer on KPIs these studies usually measure, there are other mechanisms like T-Cell immunity, which are most definitely trained during actual disease, but which might not be activated by narrowly focused vaccines and are hard to measure so we don't know how they work on the wide scale.
For example here[0], blood plasma seems to be different between natural vs vaccinated.
At the same time this rhetoric undermines credibility of institutions and individuals that project such ideas. It seems that in one case the approach is strictly rational and in another we turn our eyes at facts and don't want to believe that our bodies are able to produce something better then scientist at Big Pharma.
People who got COVID-19 already lost in this global roulette game since they are the ones that already absorbed the highest risk in this game. The upper side of it is that if you got out the other way - you get better overall immunity for further reinfections. And now authorities want to push them even further, take even more risk(minimal, but still) which is not necessary based on what data says.
On Aug 2, Denver was the first city to require the Covid-19 vaccine for its employees, and extended the vaccine mandate to employees of private companies as well. For Denver companies who do not comply, the public is urged to report these companies.
Ask the employer to take liability for any adverse effects that you might suffer and see if changes anything.
I wonder why insurance companies are not offering any offers when coming to vaccine injuries. It seems that it would be a very profitable enterprise when there are so many people who are worried about adverse effects and when "science" says
that the vaccines are "overwhelmingly safe". People should be willing to pay large premiums for it, right?
If someone ask you to take it "for the community" show them this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxqC9SiRh8 and ask them about these people who took the risk "for the community" and ask them what the community is doing to help them in return..
I hope very much that this case succeeds and sets a precedent for others, like NYC that are attempting to force vaccination regardless of natural immunity status.
It's anti-science, and goes against the long standing medical standard of always taking the least invasive approach, and only providing treatment when clinically indicated.
We have volumes of research to support that natural immunity is at least as effective as vaccination at this point.
> In today’s MMWR, a study of COVID-19 infections in Kentucky among people who were previously infected with SAR-CoV-2 shows that unvaccinated individuals are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated after initially contracting the virus. These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections.