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"you should be able to prove it in the political realm."

Well, you've got Saudi Arabia, and countless Arab nations. You've got Israel, and there's also Vatican City (which is a nation inside Italy, albeit a small one).

However they aren't exactly popular in liberal society...




Vatican isn’t a nation. It’s a country, created by Mussolini. It was never a real nation, only a bribe to convince the Church to not interfere with “fight against communism”.


Actually, the Vatican City is a remnant of the Papal States, a nominal nation that encompassed significant parts of Italy for much of the Middle Ages. And the Papal States were a descendant of the "Holy Roman Empire," which encompassed massive parts of Europe during the Middle Ages. Vatican City is the smallest that it's been in over a thousand years.


Italy is the “remnant of Papal States”. There was never a “Vatican nation”, only an artificial country.


Aren’t all countries artificial? People decide on borders, not nature.




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