On: Rival weightlifter speaks out on transgender Hubbard's Olympic place

[zaarn]

What does this have to do with race?

[alentist → zaarn]

> I want these people to be recognized as what they identify; women. Even if they don't have the right chromosomes, there is atleast a dozen reasons someone might still have grown up as female or identifies female.

Replace gender with race. Do you feel the same way about race?

[zaarn → alentist]

Well, I didn't know that race is determined by your chromosomes. TIL I guess. And I don't see how someone would identify as black if they aren't, it's a melatin level in the skin.

The issues about race have less to do with the issues about transgender people, and more with their struggles faced by fault of modern society, in addition to the struggles one would face as transgender and/or female, which can intersect quite badly.

I'm honestly astounded that HN apparently doesn't have any idea about intersectional discourse in the slightest, should be pretty obvious stuff.

[selimthegrim → zaarn]

You do realize there are descendants of black people with fair skin that look almost European otherwise but identify with their ancestors kept down under segregation?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Butterfield

[zaarn → selimthegrim]

Yes, I know about edge cases, but I think it's fair to count that as a cultural association with their ancestors over them being PoC.

[alentist → zaarn]

> Well, I didn't know that race is determined by your chromosomes. TIL I guess.

Is that sarcasm? Do you know what chromosomes are?

> And I don't see how someone would identify as black if they aren't

By simply claiming they do. Is that not the criterion you're using for gender?

"I don't see how someone would identify as female if they aren't."

[zaarn → alentist]

>By simply claiming they do. Is that not the criterion you're using for gender?

And you still fail to see the difference between gender and sex and how that is different from culture and skin color. Congratulations.

>Is that sarcasm? Do you know what chromosomes are?

I didn't skip Biology 101.

[alentist → zaarn]

So your position is that a person is female simply by virtue of claiming that they "identify as" female. Is a person black simply by virtue of claiming that they "identify as" black?

> I didn't skip Biology 101.

Looks like you did. Chromosomes carry the genome.

[zaarn → alentist]

I am aware Chromosomes carry the genome, but leading the question is not quite fair as well. Since sex and gender were topics, it was well evident that I was talking about Chromosomal differences between humans, NOT gene-level differences.

It looks like you skipped out on Biology 101, otherwise the difference would be clear in context and upon my elaboration.

Good day.

[alentist → zaarn]

> I was talking about Chromosomal differences between humans, NOT gene-level differences.

Since the former includes the latter, your excuse makes zero sense. It sounds like a convoluted attempt to obfuscate the fact that you thought "chromosomes" was synonymous with "allosomes".

> It looks like you skipped out on Biology 101

How so? This is a weird projection. You're the one who clearly didn't know what chromosomes are.

Finally, you still haven't answered the question: Is a person black simply by virtue of claiming that they "identify as" black?