On: How Indian Zoroastrians helped shape modern Iran

[Ar-Curunir]

No, it is based on both linguistic and archaeological evidence. For example, read The Horse, The Wheel, and Language, which corroborates these two kinds of evidence

Fwiw I’m Hindu.

[srean → Ar-Curunir]

Friendly, good faith hint: dont fall in to the trap of feeding trolls. Take a look at comment history to see what I mean.

[chakkepolja → srean]

I know these people are hard to convince, just writing factual evidence so that outsiders don't believe all the stuff these people write.

[naruvimama → srean]

Please keep to my comment above.

Character assassination based on your subjective psychoanalysis is not a polite thing to do on a public forum.

[naruvimama → Ar-Curunir]

Just because it is in a book doesn't mean it is true.

'The Horse, The Wheel, and Language' - those are slim evidences made to fit a narrative.

The narrative clearly starts with negating the out of India theory instead to favour a Central Asia/European roots.

But really what kind of evidence do we have for the existence of a sophisticated culture in Germany that predates Harappa.

[chakkepolja → naruvimama]

Out of India theory is fringe at best.

I don't know why Indian nationalists take a root at pontic Caspian steppes as an attack against antiquity of our culture. It doesn't take anything away from us. They were not Europeans or something. They didn't attack and invade the indigenous mostly mixed with them. Before them there were migrations from zagros mountains etc..

> Central Asia/European roots.

They are not the same.

> But really what kind of evidence do we have for the existence of a sophisticated culture in Germany that predates Harappa.

You clearly have not read the book. It's not Germany, it's Pontic Caspian steppes, approximately in modern day Ukraine if I recall correctly.

[srean → chakkepolja]

Ha! If you go by one of the revered figures, eminent scholar, Bal Gangadhar Tilak, the pure Hindu people come from the land of the North pole.

Fly in the ointment, there hasn't been any land at the North pole for quite some time. Why the choice ? perhaps to help themselves to some notion of exceptionalism, uniqueness, so on and so forth.

I get it, everyone wants to feel a little special, it gets dangerous when that becomes a sizeable political force. More so, if they feel they have not been given their rightful due and/or humiliated. Wish there was a moral analogue of "now now dont be hurt, yes baby you are so very special, have a candy bar" in the international arena.

I am ethnically Hindu but an athiest (which, by the way, does not disqualify me from being a Hindu)

[KorematsuFred → chakkepolja]

Out of India theory is not fringe at all in fact a pretty dominant theory in India which actually matters. It gained even more importance after the marxist scholars like Romila Thapar basically changed their stance from Aryan Invasion Theory to Aryan Migration Theory.

As I have said earlier the racial contours of USA/West in general have vested interest in polluting research in this field.

[chakkepolja → KorematsuFred]

Double you tee eff. You can look at the evidence (genetic, archeological, and linguistic) and decide for yourself.

It's the Indian nationalists who were multiple times caught faking evidence to assert indigenous Aryans theory.

[naruvimama → chakkepolja]

Colonial theories especially when it flies in the face of observed evidence should not be trusted.

There is a strong reason to believe it is biased.

Let them produce physical evidence of cultural artifacts that predates and connects those found all accross the Indian subcontinent.

We can then discuss out of India vs Aryan invassion theory.

[chakkepolja → naruvimama]

The current theory is neither out of India nor Aryan Invasion. It's almost universally agreed that IndoAryan migrations were slow defusion of Indo Aryan tribes into today's India, and mixed with native people.

Everything including genetic evidence supports that.

You seem to be highly convinced by nationalistic pseudoscience. Open your mind and apply some logic.

[Ar-Curunir → chakkepolja]

Yeah, this irritating "muh culture is best" kind of attitude is actually very patronizing to Indian culture, and to humanity as a whole

[naruvimama → chakkepolja]

Extensive astrological time references, intimate knowledge of the Saraswati river that had gone dry 1000s of years earlier are plainly ignored.

Indian sources and Puranas themselves point to a much older timeline.

> nationalistic pseudoscience

That applies more to the kind of theories and other race sciences spewed by the colonists that ultimately lead to the holocaust in Germany.

Please update yourself with the latest findings and learn to be suspicious of the material from the colonial times.

[chakkepolja → naruvimama]

> Please update yourself with the latest findings and learn to be suspicious of the material from the colonial times.

Please update yourself from well credited academia and not suspicious newspaper articles or pop culture.

Academics also agree nazi stuff was pseudoscience. You are attacking a straw man.

The linguistic and genetic evidence points at a migration, you can't read r/chodi and believe it's true, while simultaneously hating Nazis.

Indian nationalists are considered annoying for a reason. You people take offense at people saying Indians didn't invent aeroplanes 10K years ago. Go read some science.

With all your colonial hate, your "indigenous" ""science"" is limited to claiming smoke from havanas purifies air, and sanskrit is best computer language.

You stand against everything your founder, Vinayak Savarkar, fought for.