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I feel like you're trying to get at something, out with it if you want to have a conversation about it.


Not at all. What I said was significant enough.

But now that you mention it and now that my post throttle is up you should consider:

Govt was wrong about:

1.flattening the curve. Not a single hospital has overflowed, even after places opened up fully and before vaccinations were widespread or places that had virtually no Covid restrictions.

2.surfaces being infectious

3.The infectiousness of the virus. Wheres the hundreds of millions of dead that were predicted? Why did more people die of car accidents in 2019 than under 55 age group corona fatalities(80% of the population)?

4. The effectiveness of masks. 'dont wear them' or 'wear them'? I can take them off while eating but have to wear them while walking 8 feet to the table, what?

Fanatically following a government without questioning them has never, in the history of humankind, led to good things.

Food for thought my friend.


> Not a single hospital has overflowed

Very many hospitals, and often entire counties and even wider regions, fully exhausted ICU or other key capacities and had to refuse patients. You can probably construct a definition for “overflowed” for which this is true, but not which would have any utility in proving governmemt was wrong.

> Wheres the hundreds of millions of dead that were predicted?

No one predicted anything like that except as a potential in the absence of any behavioral changes. Even the places like much of the US that has weak, inconsistent, or unenforced “lockdowns” saw some government interventions and signidicant, if sometimes largely non-compelled, behavioral changes.

> Why did more people die of car accidents in 2019 than under 55 age group corona fatalities(80% of the population)?

Again, because even the places like much of the US that has weak, inconsistent, or unenforced “lockdowns” saw some government interventions and significant, if sometimes largely non-compelled, behavioral changes.

> I can take them off while eating but have to wear them while walking 8 feet to the table, what?

This is a dumb complaint. Its minimizing avoidable exposure potential. Distancing is more enforceable while seated and eating, but its impossible to wear a mask and eat. Distancing is less enforceable while moving about, but its quite possible to wear a mask.


1. Would love to see some some data from legitimate news or science source for your thinking on this. They were wrong.

Texas was at less than 15% vaccination a few weeks ago..and Abbot opened the state up fully. No hospital overflow. Did they reach natural herd immunity? No. Not a single word about hospital overflow.

2. They absolutely did predict that and they were wrong. Here's a science article about it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7447267/

3. 'dumb complaint' I disagree. If this was a serious disease like the black plague this would kill people. If Covid was serious you would have just sentenced people to their death. But you're fine with it either because you like killing people or Corona virus is not serious.

Peoe are digging their heels in on this narrative because if it turns out not to be true then they look like fools. Science doesn't even matter anymore.


Quoting an article by Ioannidis on this subject is indeed proof that science doesn't matter, after the cherrypicking job he did in Santa Clara.


MD PhD from Stanford with decades of experience and infectious disease and epidemiology?

Can you tell me which experts and scientists are the right ones to believe that don't contradict your narrative?


You might try a few closer to home at Tulane - Mac Hyman (who I’ve had the privilege of taking classes with and who invited Nick Hengartner of Los Alamos who did the R ~ 5.7 paper here a couple months before the pandemic) and Susan Hassig. Or Peter Hotez at Baylor. I am not the only one who is angry with Ioannidis over what he did.


Do you disagree with the swedish epidemiology team Anders Tegnell and his team?

What about Norway, Texas, Florida and all of their epidemiology team?

We have a situation here where people are picking and choosing experts based on their own narrative.


1. Hospitals were most certainly overwhelmed. 2. This always seemed cautionary to me. We know this is a vector for other viruses.It makes sense to sanitize until you have a better understanding. 3. I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, but thank goodness the models that made predictions based on no action taken didn't come to fruition. We lost in the US alone a half million people and counting. It could have been worse, but it should have been better. 4. Leadership whiffed big here at the beginning with the whole lying to save PPE for health professionals thing, but they admitted that. As for restaurant protocols that was more or less min-maxing for the situation. Ideally just don't go out to eat, but if that's not a sacrifice you want to make, or you're adamant about supporting a restaurant by in-person dining, then filter as much of your and other's respiration as possible.

And I wasn't frantically following anyone - it seemed like sense to me. A novel virus is/was spreading that's potentially dangerous: wear a mask, wash your hands, avoid contact with people - do these things to the best of your ability for both your own and the community's safety. I live in Arizona, so believe me when I tell you the things I did were of my own volition.

Thanks for expounding.


All of your expounding doesn't avoid the fact that...they were wrong.

1. Would love to see a source on this from a reliable legitimate news source. They were wrong.

Texas was at less than 15% vaccination a few weeks ago..and Abbot opened the state up fully. No hospital overflow. Did they reach natural herd immunity?

2. They were wrong.

3. They were wrong.

4. They were wrong.

Read all about it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7447267/

Youre digging your heels with hand wavy non science.




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