>I encourage you to look at the data you yourself have posted and to draw your own conclusions.
This is quite irresponsible. You can't just leave it at "black men shoot more people than other demographics" and let the reader "draw their own conclusions", because on its own it seems very much like the conclusions you want the reader to draw are quite racist. On the face of it your comments look very much like other subversive racist comments that are often seen in less moderated forums than HN.
You want people to draw conclusions from incomplete data which only considers the subject's race. They'll draw on those conclusions to, say, vote. If you don't want to engender a racist perception, then you need to dig deeper than race before you state your arguments. How does it correlate with income? Job status? What are the schools like in these areas? How does it compare to other populations? America has an institutionalized racism problem, which creates an environment from which these problems arise in predominantely nonwhite areas. Don't mix up cause and effect.
Pointing out the demographics in this dataset, then complaining that no one wants to have that discussion due to some perceived social taboo, is a bad faith, racist argument.
>The world is full of many inconvenient truths. We should be able to discuss these openly and consistently as adults, without resorting to emotional name calling.
I agree. But you're not examining these "truths" critically, you're just making provacative insinuations and dropping them on the floor.
>You for some reason equate "noticing differences" with "hating a group".
Racism is not the same thing as "hating a group". It's an entire class of behaviors. What you've done is make some suggestive mentions about race with no critical examination of them, hoping that the reader will draw some conclusion from your woefully incomplete analysis. When the only thing you have looked at is race, not doing any due diligence beyond, and you're making a connection with violent behavior, then your argument is pretty racist.
Your comments in this thread reads like a play-by-play of any bigoted argumentation which we've seen anywhere in past. The tropes and tone of your comments matches common bigoted patterns very closely. If you don't want to be associated with that, then you should re-evaluate the way you present your arguments.
Sounds like you are just giving the emotional response he predicted you would. And all of this comment reads as a you simply calling him a 'racist' because he noticed an interesting trend in the data above, and pointed it out. This should be discussed, and critiqued, but your comments just seem to be a reaction to seeing something that is breaking some kind of social barrier or narrative world view you want to believe.
>I encourage you to look at the data you yourself have posted and to draw your own conclusions.
This is quite irresponsible. You can't just leave it at "black men shoot more people than other demographics" and let the reader "draw their own conclusions", because on its own it seems very much like the conclusions you want the reader to draw are quite racist. On the face of it your comments look very much like other subversive racist comments that are often seen in less moderated forums than HN.
You want people to draw conclusions from incomplete data which only considers the subject's race. They'll draw on those conclusions to, say, vote. If you don't want to engender a racist perception, then you need to dig deeper than race before you state your arguments. How does it correlate with income? Job status? What are the schools like in these areas? How does it compare to other populations? America has an institutionalized racism problem, which creates an environment from which these problems arise in predominantely nonwhite areas. Don't mix up cause and effect.
Pointing out the demographics in this dataset, then complaining that no one wants to have that discussion due to some perceived social taboo, is a bad faith, racist argument.