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2021 Revision of the Mathematics Framework for California Public Schools (ca.gov)
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From Chapter 2 "Teaching for Equity and Engagement" p40:

> Ms. Ross teaches fifth grade at the Jackie Robinson Academy. She has been focusing on developing her students’ sociopolitical consciousness through language arts and wants to bring mathematics into their thinking (SMP.1, 2). To begin the process, the class is led in an analysis of word problems from their fifth-grade mathematics textbook (NF.1, 2, 4, 5, 6). Ms. Ross selects three word problems to connect with the class’s current read-aloud of George, a novel by Alex Gino that shares the story of a 10-year-old transgender fourth grader and her struggles with acceptance among friends and family. In doing so, the teacher is reflecting the recommendations of California’s Health Framework, which suggests that sensitive discussions of gender are important for students

> The word problem analysis serves as a springboard for students to investigate their own questions. One student asks, “Are there word problems that have a male knitting a scarf, cooking, cleaning?”; and another ponders, “Does the textbook always use girl names for girl stuff and boy names for boy stuff?” Lastly, another student asks, “Are there word problems that challenge gender stereotypes?” When examining the entire textbook, the students noted that there were a few instances of gender-fluid problems (e.g., David’s dad baked a dozen cookies to share with him, his sister, and his mom); however, the problem continued to conflate gender with a heterosexual identity. The class could not find problems involving non-nuclear families (e.g., two moms, a single dad) or gender nonconforming characters (e.g., John cutting ribbon). Ms. Ross has students notice these patterns, but also asked students to question why certain items (e.g., toys, activities, careers) are perceived as being “for” only girls or boys, and the implications for these assumptions. She continues to engage her students by asking, “Why does this matter? Who does this privilege? Who is silenced?”

This lesson is highlighted as an exemplary instance of mathematics education. The students go on to "fix" the word problems (in one instance completely losing the sense of the original problem).

I think it's good to re-write mathematics textbook word problems to be more inclusive. I don't think it's good to have students play out that process in their math class. Math class is for learning... math. They can learn how to perform a social justice critique in social justice class. If this is representative of the direction the state wants to move in, then I don't have a lot of optimism for the future of public education in California.


This feels like somebody who believes “math is just numbers” was asked to write the section, and had to work hard to drag equity and related issues into the example.

Speaking for myself, I always paid more attention when my math teachers mentioned Newton, Gauss, ancient Greeks, Flatland, etc. But the fact that most historical examples were European could give students the impression that Europe was the only part of the world that thought math was important. I guess we heard that “Arabs invented the number 0,” but that’s it. I would love for classes to include mentions of ancient Indian ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_mathematics ) or Chinese math development ( https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/HistTopics/Ten_classic... ).

I would be really happy if classes mentioned important mathematicians that had suffered because of something not related to math. Such as math professors losing tenure for being Jewish, Chinese academics caught up in “struggle sessions,” Alan Turing, etc.


The intro states she's teaching language arts here, not math. She's simply integrating math word problems as examples.


The idea that classes should have interplay with each other is not new. I don't know about you, but in my social sciences classes we did a fair bit of math and even had projects that counted for both math and social sciences, for example. It was in general a good thing.

The above isn't an example of pure math education. It's an example of what math teachers should do if they want to incorporate for example elements from the Health or Social Sciences curriculum.


I would argue that that's because most social sciences are at some level just applied math. Math however isn't social science. I don't want to be dismissive of social progress in curriculums though; I had many advantages growing up but I more than once found myself in classrooms where I didn't speak the language and math class was always a relief because it was just math. I realize this is a rosy view, but there was something to it.


I certainly empathize with you, but as long as most math curriculum is math at it's core, then it is a net benefit for the large majority of students. It does take a skilled teacher to really pull it off.

For the vast majority of students, the way they will use math most of the time is only after analyzing problems and translating them to mathematics, which for many students also really does help the math part work better. And ultimately before you start specializing your math classes (some may argue we should do it earlier than is done in the US, and I'd agree), it makes sense to train students to apply math a solid minority of the time in ways that aren't "just math".

Until the last two years of so of high school, the skills that are mainly being taught in math class aren't necessarily "just math", and the main reason they are being taught isn't to help people be better at pure math, but because they are foundational skills elsewhere.

These ideas aren't just there for fun. They're there because a significant amount of research has been done and replicated dozens of times around the world and found that for the educational objectives at that point in time it is the most efficient way to do so. If the hypothesis is that actually teaching math another way that completely gets rid of word problems and tie-ins to other subjects is more efficient, this is a testable hypothesis that is sure to be very interesting to the scientific community, and I'd love to see it put to the test.


There is not actually quality education research happening.


There absolutely is. Generally not in the US. I have contributed to high quality education research personally (as IT support).


I didn't say the researchers involved believed they were not doing good research.

The people involved generally are the kind of people who think that career would accomplish something.


Objectively, the research was of good quality. The research was replicated all over the world successfully, and it was statistically and methodologically sound.

Those people actually accomplished something. Their local education system became #4 in the world in mathematics without unreasonable hours or high levels of stress.


If it were replicated around the world, then they'd all have become #4. (In what ranking system?)


This is exactly what I was looking for when I read the title of this submission ;P


Sad how we've come to expect the worst out of Cali's government... and have our expectations confirmed every time.


I've read some of the linked documents now and I have a kid that is reaching kindergarten age and in SFUSD. The kid's been in some of the SFUSD preschool programs since it seemed to be the only source of certain autism related services before kindergarten age.

Given the kinds of communication I receive from the district (the majority are coordinating welfare programs rather than supporting some academic mission), recent news, and these sorts of standards cropping up, I'm becoming increasingly convinced that I should avoid the public school system here. The preschool is dealing with such basic things that it probably doesn't matter, but as time goes on the picture doesn't sound promising.

So to take this discussion off on a tangent... is private school the only real option? Are there home-schoolers here that can provide some insights? I did mention he's autistic, but very high functioning and we're already making progress without the aforementioned district autism services anyway. Anyway, not sure where to start in the Bay Area and this head-shaking document prompted the thought to ask.


are you saying the content in the communications materials emanating from the SFUSD are not very "mission oriented" for lack of a better phrase, for what you'd consider a schools mission orientation should be?


Read and understand the thirteen books of the Elements by Euclid, preferably in the original Greek. This ought to be sufficient for a fundamental understanding of the mathematical method, its power and application--all generated from a handful of axioms and postulates which in turn can be re-visioned to form entirely distinct but consistent systems.


There are better presentations of geometry than the Elements :) (Plus, the original constructions, without algebra, are rather tricky and don't generalize well!)

If we're interested in the mathematical method and its power, a good start might be to, well, go with more exploration-based approaches, where students have to learn things in order to solve a "real"(-ish) problem. Of course, the training required and attention to students would rocket and is likely infeasible, but hey, if Euclid's elements in the original Greek are on the table, this doesn't look too bad !


> better presentations

> more exploration-based approaches

Do you know of any that you'd recommend?


The main thing Euclid did for me was to enkindle a love for math as such. Geometry done that way is just so ... beautiful.

Unfortunately I didn't have this experience until I was an undergraduate. For the prior 12 years of formal schooling, math mostly felt like repetitive drudgery with occasional flashes of excitement when I would learn a new technique.


Here's a beautiful rendition of the original text alongside with an English translation:

https://farside.ph.utexas.edu/Books/Euclid/Elements.pdf


Back in the 80s, we learned the Euclid axioms and postulates in geometry class which was around 8th grade. Not sure what is taught these days.

Edit: I think that was the first class where we learned about proofs and we solved so many that I really get the hang of it.


"For California Public Schools". I'm pretty sure that most high school kids are not going to be reading Euclid in the original Greek...


/s ?


Reading the introduction, it's an extended insult to anyone proceeding faster than the government prescribed standard pace, accusing them of failing to process things in depth. (And for those who missed a concept- too bad you have to keep going at the same pace.) The primary objective seems to be ensuring no one gets visibly ahead of anyone else. It's attempting to push the SFUSD no Algebra until high school madness on everyone.

The description is so full of contradictions that it can't be rationally understood- there are not allowed to be advanced students, but "high achievers" are helped by going "more in depth", while they "learn to appreciate the beauty of mathematics and the connections between mathematical areas". They sit there and complain about a "rush to calculus", but then in order to take Calculus in SFUSD you have to rush through the classes that immediately precede it.

"All students can take Common Core-aligned mathematics 6, 7, and 8 in middle school and still take calculus, data science, statistics, or other high-level courses in high school."

And how does that turn out?

"In SFUSD, students have many options for a fourth year of math, including Pre-Calculus, AP Calculus and AP Statistics. There are also many ways to reach a fourth year of math, including choosing to take a “compression” course that combines Algebra 2 and Precalculus in 11th grade; choosing to “double up” on math during 9th or 10th grade; or taking a summer Geometry course between 9th and 10th grades."[1]

Why the great opposition to 8th grade (or earlier) Algebra?

"In order to reach algebra in grade eight, students must cover all of middle grades math in just two years (or else skip some foundational material)."

Or, you need to cover the 9 years (K-8) in 8 years, which doesn't sound quite as daunting...not to mention the possibility of starting ahead. However, they are concerned that a student's path is set in 5th grade. Rather than look at this as a lack of imagination in the naming of courses, such that they all need to be one year endeavors...

I fully support getting rid of some closed notion of "tracking" where people have no ability to move at their own pace and speed up or slow down. However, all of their complaints against tracking (save one) apply to this solution, as it is locking all students into one, inadequate track.

[1] https://archive.sfusd.edu/en/assets/sfusd-staff/1.9.19%20Mat...


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The most recent archive.org (Dec 17) doesn't have the "the draft chapters approved by the IQC".

Google cache has the page, and at least some of the chapters. Fwiw.


My son is struggling with middle school zoom math courses. I hope he doesn't suffer in the long term because of it.


A relative works at the Community College level of public education, and generally during economic downturns they prosper because a lot of people go back to school for qualifications, but they were telling me this year a lot of their math classes (remote only) had low enrollment while other STEM classes were normal or up. I can only assume that's because a lot of people just cannot handle learning math remotely for whatever reason.


Check out Khan Academy—it is an exceptional way to learn math. Far better than that Common Core nonsense.


FWIW, Khan Academy is pretty well aligned with Common Core, at least in terms of material covered: https://www.khanacademy.org/commoncore/map

I think a lot of what people complain about with Common Core is bizarrely written school materials that were developed by some bureaucracy and don't make a whit of sense to an adult who already knows the skill, let alone to a kid. Khan Academy definitely does better on that count in my opinion, so it's a good supplement.


> Far better than that Common Core nonsense.

You should check out Khan Academy because it's well aligned to the Common Core. The general effect of the CA Common Core was advance the math curriculum by about 6 months.


What exactly do you have against common core?


Many people have conflated Common Core (a set of objectives of what should be learned and by when, generally pretty good) with the materials that came out to support it from textbook publishers and others (pretty shitty).


There may be some form of survivorship bias against refreshed math curriculums in many of the people who use HN. I assume many of us are in STEM fields and did well enough in K-12 programs to get there.


I wonder how many STEM professionals' K-12 education has anything at all to do with their career. Zero connection for me, and I went to a flagship Silicon Valley high school and maxed out the math curriculum there. I can't think of anything I learned in K-12 that relates directly to software development & IT.

I did however make a friend at that high school (in English class) whose dad worked at a big tech company and helped me get into the industry. The school's computer programming club was fun too.

Then again I'm almost 40; maybe it's different for younger people.


If you "maxed out the math curriculum", then surely you got some idea that you enjoyed logic, and were better than average at solving puzzles?

Presumably writers seldom end up writing about the texts they studied in high school, but they may pick up similar impressions of what they like, and what they are good at.


I suppose everyone's experience is a little different. I started writing code when I was about 7 and I really don't think the K-12 curricula I went through had much direct impact on my career. Maybe some people catch the bug in school, I sure didn't. This was roughly 1986-1998, though, maybe things have changed significantly.


That sounds in a way the best case scenario, not to need anything from school. (Although not the one which schools should be designed around.) Or do you think that a better-designed school could have pushed you further, perhaps?


I spent several years as a middle school math teacher before switching to software engineering about 3 years ago.

I am sad to see Jo Boaler/youcubed quoted and promoted in this Middle School Math framework. This person has persuaded school districts and admins throughout CA to believe that every mathematics lesson should be a student-led, creative, multi-disciplinary experience. School districts are shown hyper-curated math lessons where teacher input is minimal and students are allowed to creatively interact with a math topic that's several grade levels below them, and school districts then have their district-level math coaches repeat these lessons ad nauseum to teachers in order to push teachers to a more student-led instruction model. I once saw one of these district coaches in an 8th grade honors Algebra classroom present a lesson on counting dots -- how interesting it is how some students count one by one, some group count, some use symmetry, some start at the top, some at the bottom, etc. Don't get me wrong, these demonstrations are interesting, and allow students the ability to explore and discuss more than a standard teacher-led mathematics classroom. But my experience is that they are closer to one-off, interesting demonstrations rather than an appropriate model to handle an entire mathematics curriculum. When superintendents and administrators are presented these demonstrations, and they observe how much discussion there is, how students can be creative, how students are able to confidently interact with the material, they then believe that's what every math lesson should look like, and set their expectations accordingly.

There are a lot of fancy ideas of what modern day math lessons should look like. Student-led investigations, few teacher prompts, creative outlets for students, and for some unknown reason, an underlying belief that students who are deficient in math will be able to achieve higher with this model. These ideas, and the people that promote them, are then able to secure massive textbook and district consultation contracts, but the actual teachers in the district are left wanting. The thing is, for this type of lesson model, the amount of resources necessary for every lesson is incredible. Interactives, worksheets, the overall pedagogical arch of the lesson, the right teacher questions to ask -- for the types of lessons that is being promoted, it's just not something that can be done 5 times a week for multiple classes. The district/admin expectations are set by these companies/evangelists, the appropriate materials are not furnished to the teachers to actually do something as involved as what they're expecting, and there's no possible way that teachers could create the amount of content that's expected.

Ideologically, it was hard for me to square my love of math and what I fundamentally believe how math should be taught with what I saw at the admin/district level, and my Principal was more than happy to explain that I was in the wrong.

As a 6th grade math teacher, I was told by my Principal that every student (and their parent) entering my classroom had been taught math under this "Jo Boaler" model, and had never seen a math fact quiz. So when a student needs to multiply 7 by 8? I actually had students that were making an 8 x 7 grid of dots and then counting to 56. Even though the Common Core framework has comments about the need for fluency, this model of instruction where students should both investigate a topic and then use that same investigative approach (e.g., setting up m rows of n dots to multiply m * n rather than memorizing the result for 0 <= m,n <= 12) just didn't jive with me. A common kneejerk argument for not prompting students to memorize math facts is because students can "just use a calculator." There's even calculators on their phones nowadays! However, I believe basic math facts are closer to language than math, especially with how often such basic math facts are expected to be known as students progress. A 7th grade teacher adding two fractions together with unlike denominators isn't going to stop mid-example and do a counting exercise for 6 * 7, so wouldn't it be a minor detriment each time a student that doesn't have 6 * 7 memorized see that unknown math fact in class? Saying that the student could simply use a calculator each time they encounter an unknown math fact is, in my opinion, like saying that there's no need to memorize words when learning a foreign language, because if you don't know the definition of "el", "es", "esta", or "un" when in a Spanish class, you can just use Google Translate to figure it out!

What I found out from veteran teachers -- I was told too late for me to be saved, unfortunately -- is that the expectation for new teachers is to drink all the admin Kool-Aid with reckless abandon until you have tenure, and then you see admin maybe once every five years after that. Instead, when I had issues with the textbook we were provided, or saw struggling students left in the dust during student-led investigations, it was in my error as a new teacher to question these approaches and provide other instructional materials for students. Too bad for me, as I really loved teaching that middle school age group and interacting with my students. The money, freedom, and severely reduced working hours in software engineering, though, are a welcome change :P


A lot of equity talk in there.


What exactly is equity in this context anyhow? Is it supposed to be a smarter sounding version of equality or something else? Is the idea for kids to graduate with shares in something?


It's a device for smuggling in a new concept (enforcement of equal outcomes) using a word that sounds similar enough to "equality", representing an older and unobjectionable concept (equal opportunity), that it should provoke minimal opposition.


Equity in this context... is equity in every context, that is equal outcomes for various groups. Equity for Marx was between classes, Equity for Mao was more social, equity from 1960s on is mostly intersectional grouping.

Equity is at odds with equality; they cannot exist together.

This is why CA fought (and lost) to revoke Prop 209 which guaranteed a certain racial equality. As seen in the recent SF school admission, the board would have prefered a neoracist admission standard, but couldn't do that overtly because Prop 209 still stands, so they changed it from test to lottery.

In this context (Math), everything is political, including (especially) math and the sciences. Everything is political because equity theorists say that everything, including math, is socially constructed. So the structural racism (axiom) that is present everywhere must be deconstructed in every classroom and every workplace.

It is all neoracist. It is the new, hip, way to achieve segregation and discrimination based on race.


While I do think the term “neoracist” is appropriate for some of the new social justice dogma about race, we also need a term for when these same ideas are applied to non-racial group distinctions.


Equity for Marx wasn't between classes. For Marx, equity was the abolishment of classes, and the outright dismissal of equality of outcome. He thought that there should inequality in society, and that this inequality should be commensurate both to the disproportionate amount of value some people produce, and to the disproportionate needs of some people (ex, those with children, the disabled, etc...). I'm actually going to go on a quote here :

"But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time; and labor, to serve as a measure, must be defined by its duration or intensity, otherwise it ceases to be a standard of measurement. This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor. It recognizes no class differences, because everyone is only a worker like everyone else; but it tacitly recognizes unequal individual endowment, and thus productive capacity, as a natural privilege. It is, therefore, a right of inequality, in its content, like every right. "

Marx, Critique of the Gotha Programme, Chapter 1.

In this sense it is true that in modern social science, the ideas of equity do come from Marx, as do many things, as Marx along with Durkheim and Weber are the fathers of social science, in the same was as Rahmanujan, Cantor, Galois, etc... are the fathers of modern mathematics. What is meant by equity is explicitly not equality, and even Marx argued against those who tought so.

The ideas of racial equality come from a very simple argument that you would have to refute to make your case. The argument is that there is no racial superiority, and thus given equal opportunity, on average, racial groups will come out more or less equal in practice (which they often do).


Somebody has been able to sneak Chapter 5 "Data Science" in. Waiting for the Chapter "AI" in a few years.


Ah, yes, the good old indoctrination that all authoritarian governments loved this last century.

When you get politics and ideologies to be taught in school, you're doomed. It's sad to see the US turning into this.


Please don't take HN threads further into ideological battle. It's not what this site is for: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


You have a point but let's no pretend this is new - there's been so much whitewashing of American history for instance. The way the jim crowe is just sort of skipped; most textbooks go from the civil war to voting rights and even then, there's more emphasis on the better moments. This is just another set of people getting the power over curriculum. It's not great either but it isn't new.


Anacdotal, but my History class in highschool covered the Jim Crow laws, and that was at a pretty rural public school. The books we were using were pretty old so I don't think it's that new.


I have to admit my statement was anecdotal as well. My whole view is colored by what I've read about textbooks in Texas and how they removed or toned down the role of slavery in the civil war. I concede that much of that reporting is biased)


How was math previously whitewashed? The last time government got interested in math curriculums was, you know, one of those 20th century "dear leaders" that loved his people to death.

You're conflating historical bias with a STEM field that is arguably as important as reading in modern civilization.


Oh, I'm not saying math was, I was responding to the parent comment which I interpreted as a comment on ~every~ (meant many) subject taught.


Ok, nevermind then lol.


This is very different from whitewashing. Every country whitewashes parts of its history, sometimes unwillingly.

This is an attempt to change the political landscape in the future through indoctrination. And it will not stop here.


I agree, though I would argue that whitewashing history is a subset curriculum design - I would argue though that whitewashing history is definitively an attempt to maintain the political landscape through indoctrination.


If the manipulation of the history is not big, the indoctrination will be almost non existent.

And let me tell you that I've been kind of indoctrinated by hardcore left wing history teachers. They wouldn't stop at teaching, they actively tried to make us think that the left was inherently good and the right bad. Sometimes it even backfired when they were exposed by someone who knew about the topic.

Hell, one of my teachers even whitewashed a terrorist group that was still active killing people back then.

This may be an extreme example but that doesn't change anything. Bad history teaching is not an excuse to bring more ideologies into school.


I'm pretty sure we agree - all I was saying is that it's not new.


"...turning into"? Let me think back to ideologies I was taught in school over 40 years ago.

- Columbus was a smart guy that was the only one at the time that thought the Earth is round. He was laughed out of royal court because everyone knew the Earth was flat. (Laughed out because he calculated the size incorrectly, turns out.)

- Poor ol' United States was just sitting there minding its own business when out of nowhere the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor w/o provocation. I didn't find out about any embargoes until years later.

- Colonialism: those natives aren't going to civilize themselves.

I could go on, but the ideology I was taught last century is easily summarized as, "America: Fuck Yeah!" I think a bit of self-examination is warranted on whether or not the fecal output of the U. S. actually does stink. Like whether or not we overly fetishize the nuclear family, for example.


Please don't take HN threads further into ideological battle. It's not what this site is for: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Your first example is more like one of those fun facts that are wrong. It doesn't even matter. The second one was true or partially true. An economic embargo is no reason to attack a country. The third one...you should really sue the school if they taught you that. No serious teacher would say anything like that.

That's not an ideology, it's bad teaching. And while not knowing your history is bad and can affect the way you see the world and hence your ideology, it is not nearly as bad as directly indoctrinating kids to make them think exactly what you want. I mean, we're talking about identity politics in math, not a history lesson that missed some points.


The US Embargo on Japan had the explicit intent on weakening the Japanese economy in order to facilitate future military action. Japan attacked in no small part because they thought that if military confrontation would be inevitable, then would be the only chance where victory was possible.

There were certainly teacher who would say the last one not even that long ago. It's unacceptable practically nowadays because of wokeness.

And yes, that is ideology. Actually, thats almost exactly the essence of ideology. Worldview!=Ideology.




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