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Frankly, the logistics of hiring make this a reality. I remember helping my boss hire interns, and picked a few out. Later on, they found out that they weren’t able to go to all of the schools that they wanted, they could only choose 2. Where did all the people from other schools go? Straight in the trash. Same deal with hiring full-time employees in my experience. Random, usually understandable circumstances preclude a huge swath of applicants from even being evaluated. And for many places, it doesn’t even matter, because they have so many candidates that they can’t distinguish between them at that level. But from a personal POV, it can be disheartening to get rejected from job after job if you don’t know that like 75% of the time it has nothing to do with you.



The current large tech company I work for had a recruiter posting messages on LinkedIn like “we’re hiring like crazy in <my town> for people with <my background>!” I had already applied on their careers site and got no response. Messaged this recruiter and got no response. Applied again to a similar position maybe 2 months later, got a response, got an interview, and now I’m working there. Guess my point is there’s clearly a lot of randomness in the screening process.


Any application process is mostly luck after you meet a certain threshold IMO.


They're also mostly luck until you meet a certain threshold.

Therefore, they're mostly luck.


I applied to my current employer 3 times in total. Better candidates would already be working for other companies after the first time.


This is why I always laugh when someone trots out the tired "shortage of engineers" excuse about why they can't seem to hire. For any tech job posting, the employer needs a super-aggressive filter just to get the list of applicants down to some manageable double-digit count, and this filter is not always going to be nice or fair unfortunately.


> shortage of engineers

They mean qualified engineers. There are a lot of completely clueless applicants for every programming job out there. The lack of formal certification sure doesn't help with that.


There are resumes you're going to see today that are a terrible fit, but might be exactly what you're looking for in three years. It matters how you go about rejecting those people. Charity is contagious, so is indifference. Disdain, on the other hand, is virulent.

You don't want people to delight in the prospect of working with one of your competitors. That's far, far worse than just missing out on hiring them and never getting a second shot.

There is also, I think, a false economy in having one person talk to an individual on their own. There is no one to see how that interaction goes. If I were in a protected class, you've also created a liability for yourself by having nobody to corroborate an exchange.

We are trying to make an inherently expensive process cheap and we are breaking everything in the process. We didn't fix deployments by doing fewer of them. Why do we think we're going to fix the onboarding process by avoidance? Finding and training people is part of building a team, which is necessary to build a product. If you have a bunch of people pushing back on the obvious parts, they're probably pushing back on the rest of it too, making little empires for themselves at the expense of their peers, the product, and the company.

We used to use referrals instead of cattle calls to fix this problem, but we don't like the kinds of hiring biases this brings in and so we threw the baby out with the bathwater. Now we have all of the worst, dehumanizing attributes of a lottery system, and not really many benefits from doing so.

Probably what we are all not learning from this decades long experiment is that if you haven't solved your diversity problem before you are famous enough to have an embarrassment of riches in your inbox, then you never will. Everything that comes after is a series of rear-guard actions trying to replace bad decisions with less bad ones, failing as often as succeeding, and justifying your arbitrary decisions as more merciful than the alternative, when in fact you mean more merciful for yourself.

Right now, for instance, I've been keeping my eye on José Valim (Elixir), because I have a suspicion that his team may have cracked that nut already, or soon will.


Choosing two schools and then saying the process is random seems disingenuous.




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