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As TFA points out, Frontex routinely and systematically ignores/breaks both European and international law. We do not deny medical treatment to people that get in car accidents, even if they caused the accidents themselves by driving recklessly.

If the EU wants to keep migrants from Africa out, fine, but letting hundreds of people drown each year in order so send a message is not acceptable, ethically or legally.




Maybe I missed something because I read with JS turned off, but in the article I read, Frontex is accused of meeting with lobbyists. Certainly fishy and morally dubious, but hardly unusual for the EU or for Germany for that matter. What laws are they systematically breaking and how is that connected to people drowning?

For the record the EU has an obligation to look into asylum claims made in the EU and reject or accept them as applicable. On the other hand, it turns out many are approved even if not valid and the EU is barely able to deport anyone, illegal migrant or not. Basically whoever gets into the EU has a good chance to stay there, even if they don't have that right, so it's no wonder the EU is trying to deter more people from coming because this is putting immense stress especially on Western European societies and causing conflicts.

EU countries (and I think all countries) have a separate obligation to rescue people in distress at sea. The fact that someone is drowning in the middle of the Mediterranean is not a concern of the EU, as crass as that may sound - one rescues whoever is in trouble near one's ship. Still the EU is going above and beyond and is also sponsoring rescue missions that fish people out of the sea. Obviously not everyone makes it.


Frontex is accused of doing pushbacks, meaning the large boats create waves that push the migrant boats back. In the linked Video Segment they had a German police offer testifying to that.

The concern with Frontex investing into planes and drones rather than boats is seen as a strategy to control the border without needing to help the migrants.

One other point that is mentioned is the „coast guard“ of Libya which Frontex allegedly cooperates with. That coast guard is accused of either not responding, or if they respond to torture and rape rescued people.

One final problem, that even if one were to have proof of those atrocities, it is really hard to sue Frontex for misconduct, because you have to sue them to what’s equivalent of the EUs Supreme Court.


The problem is, ironically, that the second best way to prevent migrants from drowning in the Mediterranean is to stop them from crossing.

The first would be to set up ships to help them cross, which obviously isn't going to happen.

So now smugglers and human traffickers have had field days (and years) smuggling people into Europe. All at an extreme cost: migrants are paying through their noses, getting abused along the route and they are drowning in the Mediterranean.

All so Europeans can feel good about helping them instead of starting a massive campaign to inform everyone that:

- immigrants will be flown right back

- money saved will be used to help them where they re (ha ha, not going to happen with the politicians we vote for, but this is what I wish they would do)

Let me be clear: I want to help those people. I'll happily see my taxes raised almost as much as I can bear to see it happen.

We don't talk much about religion here but since this account isn't linked to my identity I'll admit my motives here: I believe in an afterlife, "heaven" to be more precise, and I believe that enjoying life here while not caring about others is a rather effective way to make myself ineligible for that.

However moving everyone to Europe isn't sustainable way of fixing everyones problem, so for now I try to cut my luxuries and spend them on things that can help:

- giving people in developing countries work

- supporting Amnesty International (yes, I'm conflicted about this as they support the migration scam but I love their work in other areas)

- spreading the gospel so more people might start to think like I outline above, hopefully creating a positive feedback loop.


OP was claiming that this article offers proof that Frontex is systematically breaking the law and that's what I was responding to.

I am not familiar with all the wrongdoings that Frontex allgedly participates in, nor am I particularly interested in that topic. If they're doing illegal things, there should be no problems suing them, supreme courts or not.

There's one thing that I'd like to address though: you said that Frontex wants to control the border(s) without helping migrants. The latter is not part of the mandate of any border protection agency that I know of, so it's no wonder they won't want to invest money into it.




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