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Why would any employer agree to that?


I find it hard to believe that it would be an unreasonable request that any work you do outside of the office, on a personal machine, and not utilizing any company IP be under your ownership. If such an issue does turn into a sticking point during negotiations, you should strongly consider that a red flag.


Indeed. Remember, it's companies that can't find programmers, not programmers that can't find jobs.


I'd really like a list of these companies with HR departments that are going to allow an exception to the standard contract because we just really need this guy.

You're absolutely right that companies would be better off in attracting talent by revising portions of their contract. You're absolutely wrong to suppose that they're necessarily going to do that.


Every one of them, in my experience. I think I've waived that particular clause (or refused to sign the agreement) five times now for five different employers.

You just need to mention it when they give you the agreement to sign. By the time there's a piece of paper printed out with your name on it, they're committed. And on the other side of the table from that piece of paper is the guy who hired you. A reasonable person that can recognize a silly clause when you point it out.

Just cross out the paragraph, initial next to it, then sign and hand it back. If they want to make a big deal about it, it's them making the big deal, not you.


Meanwhile I have to pay the bills and there are no employers in my area that I know of who would agree to such a contract.


Why would any employer agree to pay a salary above minimum wage?


For a lot of work it's standard practice to pay minimum wage and that's what most employers of such workers do. They don't make exceptions for a particular worker even if he has demonstrated surprising aptitude for, say, bagging groceries. Likewise, invention clauses like this are quite common, even the norm in some areas, and no company is going to make an exception for a particular worker no matter how valuable he might be.

Libertarian arguments like this which stress contracts often seem to fall flat by the following reasoning:

1 We seem to agree on what the desired outcome is.

2 If contract theory fails here, the outcome is undesirable.

3 If contract theory succeeds, the outcome is identical to what we would have achieved with legislation.

4 A legislative solution doesn't carry with it the uncertainly that a contractual solution would.

∴ Legislation seems preferable.

You have to know what outcome you want to effect of course, and be reasonably sure your legislation will achieve that. In this case we see (or at least strongly suspect) that when companies are not allowed to own IP produced by their employees independent of company resources and unrelated to their business, the financial benefit to the employee and the benefit to society in economic growth far exceed the benefit to the company (in most cases this benefit is zero). If there were a wider range of solutions I would not support legislation (or possibly I would support narrower legislation), but that doesn't seem to be the case. So I support legislation.


If it were a condition to hire a well-suited candidate. It's surprisingly difficult to find good programmers in NYC.


Where is it easy to find good programmers?


Montreal, Canada. And anywhere else where you have a high concentration of universities and a low cost of living.


Many employers operating outside of California have a policy very similar to the California law. There are some companies with even more generous policies, though I'm not familiar with any major tech companies with a more generous policy.


Its a small sample (5 times), but I've been asked to sign an invention clause at 100% of jobs I've held. All outside of CA.




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