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California has an alarmingly overconfident and autocratic governor who is likely to face a recall in the coming months. The problem is even if Newsom/Getty does get replaced there are few credible politicians on the horizon who can handle the massive debt load, complex layers of bureaucracy, alarming levels of graft and extreme levels of economic hardship.

It's a serious situation, with the endless talk and inadequate action from Newsom/Getty making a lot of people very angry.




There's a lot to your comment. Could you be more specific about how Neswom is being autocratic? Is he overstepping the powers of his office? Is he not listening to Californians?


California is a one party state, completely dominated by the Democrat party.

I'm a registered Democrat who was hoping for reforms FWIW. Newsom/Getty is facing stiff legal challenges from Republicans such as Kevin Kiley which I feel are very important to make things a little more democratic. His blog articulates examples of Newsom/Getty's autocratic approach

https://blog.electkevinkiley.com/its-all-fallen-apart-for-ne...


I disagree with every bullet point in the in that link. Moreover it seems like the guy is just trying to sell a book. Worst, it doesn't even make the case for autocracy so it doesn't even support your premise.

California is also not a one party state. Please look at the results of the last election and see how many Republicans won office, and what the results of the initiatives were.


Kiley is a central valley Republican who is very much behind the recall effort. I'm sure you don't like any of those bullet points if you are a Newsom supporter. Kiley is in a high stakes legal battle with Newsom challenging his autocratic rule and has won subject to Newsom appeals.

'In California, Democrats held trifecta control of state government from 1999 to 2003 and again from 2011 to present. During all other years, California operated under divided government'.

https://ballotpedia.org/Party_control_of_California_state_go...


Yes the Democratic party has dominant position now.

The recall just seems like guerilla warfare for no good purpose. We have elections. I don't believe Newsom's leadership is so damaging that he needs to be removed from office before his term is up. And I'm not going to believe it from the Republican side, which is a party that hasn't argued in good faith in the last 50 years, IMO


See my parent comment:

The problem is even if Newsom/Getty does get replaced there are few credible politicians on the horizon who can handle the massive debt load, complex layers of bureaucracy, alarming levels of graft and extreme levels of economic hardship.


When people say California is a one party state what they mean is the Democratic Party has a super majority along with the governor. Assuming most democrats agree on something nobody can really stop them.


Right. When I see one party state I think of the CCP. The better terminology would be the majority party, or the dominant party. I think there's a lot of heterogeneity within the Democratic party in California, especially at the local level, and are much less likely than Republicans to march in lockstep.


> California is a one party state, completely dominated by the Democrat party.

Only fairly recently had the competitiveness of the California Republican Party collapsed utterly, and entirely because they've slavishly followed the national party away from California interests.

> I'm a registered Democrat

Who nevertheless uses the deliberately incorrect “Democrat Party” invented for and consistently used in Republican propaganda?

> Newsom/Getty

Yeah, now if you just throw around “socialist" gratuitously, you’ll complete the image.

Looking at your history, your political posts are pretty consistently standard Republican attacks on Democratic positions and the Democratic Party, so I'm not surprised.


1 Trifectas in California

In California, Democrats held trifecta control of state government from 1999 to 2003 and again from 2011 to present. During all other years, California operated under divided government.

https://ballotpedia.org/Party_control_of_California_state_go...

2 I have never vote Republican party in my life. I am a registered Democrat who has made a lot of effort to reform that party over the last 12 months.

3 Newsom/Getty is the exact opposite of 'Socialist'. you don't get any more 'elite' than dyslexic Gavin, who it is rumored the DNC will pair with Harris for the next presidential election


> Newsom/Getty

> Democrat party

You’re coming across kind of crazy with this stuff, maybe unintentionally.


Newsom was brought up by the Getty family after his parents divorced. He is closely aligned with Getty interests.

https://calmatters.org/commentary/2019/01/gavin-newsoms-keep...

Can you be more specific about why you think what I've said is 'kind of crazy'?


Conspiracy theorist, at a guess. You could just write Neswom and to not have that reaction. I honestly thought you were referring to the lieutenant governor because I didn't remember who that is until I looked it up. Then, I was just confused.


Not very clear on what you think the theory to 'conspire' might be here and who the participants are?

I have just stated political facts about California politics (where I have lived for 30 years). I have never voted Republican in my life (or tory in the UK where I come from).


I didn't read it that way. Also a lifelong registered Democrat who isn't happy with the way California is being run.


I'm not sure where the line between hypocrite and autocrat is, but it was a bad move to tell people to only congregate with their own households while indoor dining is shut down in most of the state, and then go have what was probably a $600 per person dinner in person and indoors with a lobbyist (the topic of their friendship is a whole 'nother discussion that doesn't really pertain to whether or not he's autocratic, but it does relate to why I'm not happy with him as a governor).


Just FYI, that county did not have indoor dining restrictions when he dined there, so he did not break the law.


While I don't think there's any legal penalty for violators, at the time of the birthday party the California Department of Public Health prohibited gatherings of 3 or more households: https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/CDP...

Newsom also relaxed his original "science based" thresholds for shutting down dining, which helped keep Napa County restaurants and wineries (including the one which he still partially owns) open.

When asking people not to celebrate birthdays with their friends or to send their kids to school in person, it sets a bad example when you do those things. It also probably doesn't help your job effectiveness when you're forced to do 14 day quarantines multiple times due to nonessential COVID exposure (I think his kid's classmates have gotten it a few times)


Well that clears it up.




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