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Why do they feel that have to remind the armed forces of this? Do they think there is a conspiracy among leadership or rank and file?

Even if there were, a memorandum is not going to stop it. Oh, geez guys and gals, they told us to stop!

This is just PR and ingratiating themselves before the next budget.



There was significant ex-military presence at the riot. The woman shot was a 14 year Air-force vet. You can see how this could send mixed messages to US civilians and the enlisted


One of the guys who brought in zip tie hand cuffs was also a military vet.


> Do they think there is a conspiracy among leadership or rank and file?

I mean that’s a pretty safe assumption in any organisation of 1.3m people.

There’s also no harm in any organisation of that size in reminding people explicitly what their orders are, in no uncertain terms.


I mean sure. But that was true under any administration with that many enlisted and career service people [as evidenced by base shootings, for example].

Bush directly caused more damage sending troops into Iraq for example. Did the JC make a fuss after that debacle?

The other is a conspiracy that is neatly attributed to DJT as if he ordered people into the Capitol. (We're attributing intent) We don't have to presume intent on Bush's part, history informs us not with attributions or guesses, but with evidence.


I really don't think you need to bring DJT into this. There are clearly and unambiguously some active-duty people who seem to be unclear about where their duty lies, and this is an unambiguous statement to them about where the military expects them to be.


True, kooks do exist there, no doubt about it. But this statement will do nothing to change their minds (if they had any plans --which I doubt any would be that stupid, but then we have had base shootings, so...)


> But this statement will do nothing to change their minds

On this point we disagree. I think most soldiers want to be good, loyal soldiers. DJT is Commander in Chief, and I think he has given them some seriously mixed messages of what that would entail, and may give further mixed messages in the next few days. This explicit, unambiguous statement of where a soldier's duties lie is important.


Hmm, ok perhaps you’re right about soldiers being confused. But if any CiC thought that path had a possibility for positive outcome, they’d be delusional. The institutions will not permit that.


There's a number of people that believe the military is going to be used by trump to overthrow the election results and instate a trump government. Otherwise known as the made up q 'conspiracy'. Sadly people I know believe this, and there are military personnel whom also believe it. Therefore it's nice that the joint chiefs declare a position, even if they shouldnt have to.


You have to realize that people on both ends of the spectrum believe in these same crazy conspiracies.

Otherwise this wouldn't be news. There were articles from left-bias organizations over the weekend fearmongering about enlisted Trump supporters.

Believing in dumb bullshit takes _ALL_ kinds.


What happened in Washington hasn't happened since the war of 1812 when the British took over the city. To me, it's reassuring to know that the people responsible for defending this country have a calm steady hand and that they will not put up with bullshit anti constitutional behavior. They won't support a tyrant and they will ensure that a transition of power happens no matter what.


Didn’t DJT have to go to a secure location at the whitehouse when protesters breached the security perimeter of the WH this summer?


According to two articles I perused, there were protestors at the Whitehouse and there were altercations with the police and security at and with the barriers, but no breach from what I read:

- https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bu...

- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/politics/trump-protest...


1)If Trump gave an illegal order, the Joint Chiefs are reminding leadership and rank and file of their true allegiance and duty.

2)Unambiguously leadership on core principles is not a PR stunt.


Many far-right organizations encourage their members to join the military whilst keeping their affiliations secret, mainly for training and spying. However, I'm sure they would love to sow disarray in the military if it meant achieving their coup. They wouldn't even need a majority of the military to be Nazis; just enough to sow confusion, draw attention and influence decisions.


Because Donald Trump is unambiguously the commander-in-chief until either Biden takes office on Jan 20 at noon or he is removed from office. Until that time, Trump can issue military orders that do not abet the peaceful transition of power.

This move matters, because it is important that members of the armed forces be able to distinguish between lawful orders, which they must obey, even if they do not like them, and unlawful orders, which they must not obey.


It's not that simple.

A president can't just say "invade Cuba!" and it gets done in Today's world (maybe it was the case in the 1800s). Advisors and the Military (and Congress) have to concur that it's within reason do do such a thing.


This is the letter of the law and regulations as they stand, but hopelessly naive as to how actual military command is handled. The military deployed a previously unused weapon on the president’s command without any consultation. This responsibility has been largely delegated from congress to the executive’s discretion (with review) for nearly two decades.

Reminding active service members that their oath is to the constitution, not the executive, at this moment is prudent.


Invading Cuba without Congressional approval would be a clear violation of the Constitution.

But I think it's very dangerous to assume that institutions have the internal integrity to shrug off abuse of power because of their rules and norms.




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