> I have to laugh when you say its replacing email.
Laugh all you like, but kids and the interns I've chatted with see email as something akin to how I feel about fax machines: not something they'd use by choice, but necessary for historical reasons. When I've been at organizations during a Slack adoption, email volume drops hugely; 50-80%, I'd guess. I've closed most of the mailing lists I used to run because they shifted to mediums better suited. Just this morning I had to FB message a few friends to get their current email addresses, which tells me a lot about who's winning.
Yes, I agree there are times you don't want things unsent. And there are times you do. There are a variety of ways to balance these concerns. But exactly none of them involves saying, "Lo it was handed down to us by Postel the Wise, and none shall tamper with His choices."
Asking to unsend an email is a reasonable request. The answer could be yes or no given the circumstances, but it's only an absurd question to people who have taken a 1980s technological choice and treat it as some sort of unalterable gospel. It reminds me of this Douglas Adams quote:
"I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies: 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things."
Sure, I get that a lot of people were born after RFC 822, so it seems like the natural order. But the people who wrote the early RFCs weren't thinking that way, and neither should we.
I have no problem with using Slack or Hangouts or Discord or some other chat solution while at work. I also tend to use discord/steam for throw-away conversation with friends.
At no point did I appeal to authority or history in my argument above, so drop the shit around
> "Lo it was handed down to us by Postel the Wise, and none shall tamper with His choices."
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If you think Chat apps are winning, let me know when you can buy an item online without an account linked to an Email. I'd love to see an example.
You jumped into a discussion. The person I replied to was treating the email we happen to have as some sort of unchangeable given. That's what I am objecting to. If you are disavowing that side of his argument, feel free to say so, but it looks to me like you lean pretty heavily on it.
> let me know when you can buy an item online without an account linked to an Email. I'd love to see an example.
You mean aside from the billion or so users of WeChat Pay?
> [Chat apps] can work great in a well structured environment
> Use each as needed
> I also tend to use discord/steam for throw-away conversation with friends
Yes, clearly I'm only advocating for the use of email in its current form for all communication, see me lean so hard above?
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Wechat might as well be the Chinese government, and it requires a Chinese/Hong Kong bank account to use Wechat Pay. If the government won't honor your transaction record, keeping a copy yourself isn't very useful...
Ok, this one is entirely fair, but also I'd argue the circumstances around it are a little different.
Given how tightly integrated wechat is with the chinese government, and the restriction of wechat pay to use with folks who have a Chinese/Hong Kong bank account, we're talking about different levels of utility around preserving the record.
If the government chooses not to honor your transaction record, it doesn't really matter if you have a copy yourself.
Laugh all you like, but kids and the interns I've chatted with see email as something akin to how I feel about fax machines: not something they'd use by choice, but necessary for historical reasons. When I've been at organizations during a Slack adoption, email volume drops hugely; 50-80%, I'd guess. I've closed most of the mailing lists I used to run because they shifted to mediums better suited. Just this morning I had to FB message a few friends to get their current email addresses, which tells me a lot about who's winning.
Yes, I agree there are times you don't want things unsent. And there are times you do. There are a variety of ways to balance these concerns. But exactly none of them involves saying, "Lo it was handed down to us by Postel the Wise, and none shall tamper with His choices."
Asking to unsend an email is a reasonable request. The answer could be yes or no given the circumstances, but it's only an absurd question to people who have taken a 1980s technological choice and treat it as some sort of unalterable gospel. It reminds me of this Douglas Adams quote:
"I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies: 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things."
Sure, I get that a lot of people were born after RFC 822, so it seems like the natural order. But the people who wrote the early RFCs weren't thinking that way, and neither should we.