> The reason they don't get hired is because it is always a gamble doing that.
So if you don't let them make an honest living, how the hell will they survive?? You claim they're all thieves and they don't want to be integrated, so you deny them any job prospects. And then you turn around and wonder why they steal!! How else will they feed their families or afford the basic necessities, man?
I'm not saying they're all honest people; but if the honest ones are not given a chance, they will have to resort to dishonest means.
It takes 2 to tango. You need both sides to make compromises.
This whole episode reminds me of how blacks were treated in America. Were it not for WW2, I wonder what the situation of blacks would be like in the USA.
There's no comparison to how blacks were treated in America, we are not barbarians. There's no colored bathrooms and stuff like that.
They have all the legal right as any citizen to own propert, start companies, hire others, etc. Further more there a lot of positive discrimination by guaranteeing them seats in Universities, etc.
> There's no comparison to how blacks were treated in America, we are not barbarians.
According to Wikipedia[1] (as I have no other sources at hand) gypsies have been slaves in Romania for most of the period since the Romanian Principalities' inception in the 13th, 14th century until 1864. I think 400+ years of indentured servitude and slavery paints Romania as quite barbaric. You should probably reconsider your biases.
> There's no comparison to how blacks were treated in America, we are not barbarians. There's no colored bathrooms and stuff like that.
At least in America now there are laws specifically disallowing discrimination against blacks and minorities. But it appears in Romania and the rest of Eastern Europe there is still widespread discrimination against the Roma. Looks pretty barbaric to me!
> > There's no comparison to how blacks were treated in America, we are not barbarians. There's no colored bathrooms and stuff like that.
> At least in America now there are laws specifically disallowing discrimination against blacks and minorities. But it appears in Romania and the rest of Eastern Europe there is still widespread discrimination against the Roma. Looks pretty barbaric to me!
You are comparing laws on the books on one place with practice in another.
There is widespread discrimination against blacks in the US, despite the existence of laws prohibiting it. To the point that white supremacists have expressed confidence that local police throughout the country will stand aside for them to commit murder against blacks and/or people seeking accountability for crimes against blacks without any need for direct coordination or specific inside coconspirators, and those sentiments have been validated.
Plus, GP didn't offer a comparison to current treatment of blacks in America, but basically to treatment before the mid-20th century civil rights movement, when there were not such laws. When someone does that to reject that their treatment of someone else is barbaric, you don't need to shift the ground and try to do an apples to oranges comparison to something else, you can just say that the bar they have set is too low to reject the characterization of barbarism even if taken as true.
> There's no comparison to how blacks were treated in America, we are not barbarians.
They've literally been genocided with few Europeans actually caring at the end of the day (the holocaust killed almost a third of them). They're arguably treated worse than blacks in America.
The way Roma are and have been treated is pretty much definition barbaric.
I hired three of them to build me a fence last year - following an online ad that they had, we talked on the phone and settled for the next day. Good for me that I have cameras in my yard because they jumped me to pay double at the end of the job quoting some bs numbers that we didn't discuss. 4 of them getting in my face at night. I already knew how it is going to go down from the moment I saw that the car of workers is made entirely of gypsies so I had someone recording and ready to call the cops. Nice tango there. I hope you don't get to dance it. As I said, it's easy to speak from the side when you don't know the situation - everyone seems to have an opinion but completely disregards what an entire nation thinks.
As a fellow Bulgarian here, I think that you're wasting your time trying to explain the situation to people from distant countries who haven't experienced the same first hand.
It's always cute to see and read how from their high horse, westeners point fingers at us for being racist and what not when they have no idea what it is like to live near or have to deal with gipsies for all kinds of matters.
In the village where I live, we have neighbors from the UK, Germany, France and even the US. When they moved here at first, they were being exactly the same as the poster that you're replying to. Criticizing the locals for being racist and not giving poor gipsies a chance to prove their virtues to society. Well, guess what, a couple of years later, those foreigners that had moved here from the West now behave in more racist ways that us mere locals. I guess the minority in question has succeeded beautifully to prove their "virtues" to the naive people from the West. ;)
So if you don't let them make an honest living, how the hell will they survive?? You claim they're all thieves and they don't want to be integrated, so you deny them any job prospects. And then you turn around and wonder why they steal!! How else will they feed their families or afford the basic necessities, man?
I'm not saying they're all honest people; but if the honest ones are not given a chance, they will have to resort to dishonest means.
It takes 2 to tango. You need both sides to make compromises.
This whole episode reminds me of how blacks were treated in America. Were it not for WW2, I wonder what the situation of blacks would be like in the USA.