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I don't need to; they just pulled those accessories out of boxes they've been selling for years.



But this new phone has different components. How do you know that the price of the phone without accessories is the same as before?


They pulled it out of existing iPhone lineup.


This is the key fact. It demonstrates that they're not interested in passing along cost savings, even where they clearly exist. This isn't just about new phones, it affects the SE as well.


Did the cost to manufacture the SE stay the same?


Typically the cost to manufacture goes down over time. You seem to be implying that it would have gone up. Is there a reason it would have?


Oh, I dunno... a global pandemic, maybe?


Since neither of us know... let's not assume either way!

Maybe it was sold at a loss before! Who knows.


If you're going to repeatedly insinuate in your comments to me and others that the price to manufacture could have gone up over time, you should have some theory to back it. It's not my job to disprove pure speculation, especially when it goes against the general and well-known trend that manufacturing yields go up over time, and this drives down cost.


> you should have some theory to back it

You're the one claiming the contrary and accusing them of something based on it - you prove it if you want to accuse them of something!


They have removed two items from the box. That saves them money. The price is the same. That means that they are saving money, unless there is evidence that the cost of the phone manufacturing went up. You have provided zero evidence of this, even in the face of the well-known trend that manufacturing costs go down over time. Good day, friend. You can continue having this argument with other folks on the thread, but I'm signing off here.


Are their costs the same as they were when the phones were released?




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