I haven't updated yet, but I sure hope those "address bar pills" are editable ... That's one of my major peeves in webmail clients, which means a typo in the email address requires me to retype the whole thing.
I hate those things! In outlook webmail, they completely break copying and pasting addresses and in some cases it replaces the address with names and makes it really hard to find out what the actual address is.
Is anyone successfully using Thunderbird with Office 365 + Google for calendars and mail? I've found various plugins but never got both working consistently for both services.
Imap, caldav, etc. are a breeze but unfortunately work requirements mean I need to use the two big non-standards.
Yes, I use 81.0b3 (64-bit) which has OAuth2 support for Office365 authentication (the other authentication methods are switched off.
I use a Google Calendar tab plugin for the calendaring, it's not builtin, but it works.
Thanks for the recommendation, I just tried it and it seems perfect!
Contrary to your experience, I was even able to create events from thunderbird that would show up on O365. They only show up on sync however (which does not seems to be automatic, only on timer). Maybe that's the reason why it did not appear to work for you?
I use it with Office 365 but I don't use the calendar or Google so I don't know if those things work or not. I used to use Davmail but now I just connect to it using IMAP and it works (finally no more Exchange which was a big annoyance).
I tried to use it with TBSync, endured some bugs that I managed to work around, until one day that it simply stopped syncing. I switched to Evolution and it works perfectly.
I miss thunderbird everyday, though.
I've been a long time Evolution user (decades, literally). But the bugs; particularly in the mail composer. So many bugs. And a lot of dependence on how Gnome does things, like online accounts. I swear some Gnome libraries have a lifetime of split milk, and when they change everything breaks. So now I've moved to Thunderbird.
I've already come across a fair few bugs in Thunderbird. And as you say sync'ing calendars with Google is one of them. Only being able the use Google Calendar with the GMail account sharing the same email address is a complete PITA, making it unsuitable for many applications. Thunderbirds dependence on Firefox, and the current rapid internal refactoring Firefox is undergoing combine to break things even faster than Gnome. So, bug and stability wise they seem to be on par. (Lord, how I look forward to Firefox/Mozilla getting past this period. I realise it's necessary, they are doing their best to reduce the pain and what pain remains must simply be endured. But enduring it is hard.)
Feature wise, both Evolution and Thunderbird both are very mature and equally capable. Many of the deficiencies in both arise from the proprietary providers (Google, Microsoft, ...) continually changing how they do things, and in Microsoft's case gratuitously making interoperability difficult.
As for the Windows Outlook client - pfft. I was asked to help a work colleague a month or two ago. During the move of data from the old machine to the new one some part of Windows (perhaps Defender?) announced a file contained copyrighted material and deleted it. The file happened to be the .PST containing his pop3 data. After getting past that a week or two later it refused to start. It announced Windows was running low on resources, then exited. I last saw that message 25 years ago, when Outlook was the only choice. The only solution was a complete uninstall (which of course Microsoft's installer doesn't know how to do, so it must be done manually, stumbling around in the dark), and clean install. Nothing has changed.
Whereas the open source clients do their best to interoperate with everything (albeit with mixed success), Microsoft appears to go out of their way to make their users' lives difficult if they try to use Outlook with anything bar Microsoft servers (online or Exchange). The corporate world would be far better off collectively getting behind someone like RedHat, Ubuntu or the Apache foundation, and developing something whose primary goal was to do the job they need done well, not extract money from them. It’s not like it’s a mind boggling difficult job.
Not Thunderbird but I use DavMail to access Office 365 mails and calendars from Kmail. It has been a really smooth experience for the 6 months I have been using it.
It's sad that 365 support is made by various independent projects who aren't working together to make a library that every mail client can take advantage of.
New thunderbird is not working with our current mail server and doesn't show any helpful error message, is there any way to check what is not right? and probably I am not alone with this problem...
I couldn't get it working with a self-signed certificate and I'm now forced to use a let's encrypt certificate, although the server is not public facing.
Try adding the root CA cert you created to sign the self-signed cert to whatever certificate trust store Thunderbird uses on your system, maybe? It's been a while since I had to deal with this on any OS so I can't give specific advice on how to do it, but generally my experience has been that this is a good first step in resolving trust failures with self-signed certificates.
I tried that (I've done this many times because of local development of APIs), but Thunderbird doesn't seem to use this. Or: it is another problem, but Thunderbird doesn't give any helpful message.
Ah, it looks like Tbird uses its own cert store, maybe. https://manuals.gfi.com/en/kerio/connect/content/server-conf... describes a pretty unique process for manually applying a trust exception to an arbitrary server cert - maybe worth a try if you didn't know about it, as I also did not until five minutes ago despite having used Thunderbird for what must now be a couple of decades.
I’d like to see it pushed out to dnf repositories. Loathe to do a manual install and then have to do an install in a few days via dnf. Still the 68 branch showing in Fedora
I welcome the addition of dark mode, but isn't it time we take a look at why the whole program's UI freezes for tens of seconds when wrangling more than 2 accounts?
One major (and unexpected) issue I ran into with Thunderbird is font size. On my monitor, it's way too small to be usable.
The recommended fix appears to mess with the `layout.css.devPixelsPerPx` configuration and even then, font is inconsistent when moving from external monitor to laptop screen.
Cool, but at that point I would probably just stick with what I have until it can be natively supported, or see if their current config is easy to template myself.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23864934