“I trust you guys. I love you guys. We'll keep this space open. This is the last stronghold for civil discourse. After this shit it's just rat-a-tat tattity tat-tat ta tat tat TAT.”
“I seen Candace Owens try to convince white America, ‘don’t worry about it he’s a criminal anyway', I don’t give a fuck what this nigga did… I don’t care if he personally kicked Candace Owens in her stink pussy. I don’t know if it stinks, but I imagine it does."
“There’s something so true about this genre when done correctly that I will fight anybody that gets in a true practitioner of this art form’s way, because I know you’re wrong. This is the truth and you are obstructing it. I’m not talking about the content, I’m talking about the art form.”
I love Chappelle - but he's not an angel, and didn't serve the free speech cause well with his personal attack (she took it sportingly) on somebody genuinely brave in speaking off-message.
I’m with you that the personal attack was rude, and he likely lost support for his side on that issue by including it.
But I don’t agree that the effect extends to lost support for free speech in general. It is commonly understood that rude speech is the most important kind of speech to defend, since it is the “front line” where the forces opposing free speech are most active.
Dave is surely aware of this too. He says rude things all the time, probably intentionally, because when documented they become fortifications which are actually harder to break through. I’m pretty sure he has outright declared an intention to get things wrong sometimes, but I can’t find the quote.
Sure (and good points), but in the context here - quoting Chappelle on civil discourse and free speech I think it's important to question the consistency when such uncivil jibes are aimed from a position of power at a hate figure.
In context, the phrase “civil discourse” has an alternative meaning that you arrive at by substituting the first dictionary definition of the word “civil”:
> 1. relating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters.
It’s a brilliant argument that works on two levels: violence is the only alternative to free speech, and raw and ugly honesty can lead to greater understanding.
I would not call it bravery. She started her career as an anti-conservative blogger and then realized there was money to be made in being conservatives' token minority friend.
That is somewhat revisionist I would say, She was cancelled by the left like many have been over the years, because while she was "anti-conservative" (though not really) she was far more moderate than the Extreme Authoritarian left accepts
You don't find it slightly ironic that you are defending her when she was "cancelled" for setting up a website with the express purpose of doxxing people who didn't want to be identified?[1]
I think it was you who claimed this on the Scott Alexander story:
> One of the biggest problems in modern society is the lack of respect for privacy and anonymous speech. anonymous speech has been a cornerstone of the advancement of civilization many times through out history including playing a critical role in the formation of the United States as well as the US Constitution
It seems to me that she was criticised by the left (and many on the right!) for attempting to start a pretty distasteful service.
I dont believe I was defending her. i believe in facts and the statement was factually inaccurate, She moved more conservative and started her conservative persona after the left rejected or ejected her from their circle.
Not sure how correcting the record with facts is "defending" some one but I guess in times of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act
I absolutely am not a fan of her or her works on the doxxing site
You seem to think her rejection by the left was some kind of extreme act ("far more moderate than the Extreme Authoritarian left accepts") and yet she was actually rejected for setting up a doxxing site!
It's not an extreme act to reject someone for that, and nor is it a moderate act to set one up.
Again we are back to revisionism. The Authoritarian left likes nothing more than to doxx people, it happens every day on twitter and it is a critical part of Cancel Culture
No, Candace "if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine" Owens is not brave because she gets called out for being a sack of shit.
- Dave Chappelle