Our governments need to be curating or writing guides to help parents and guardians teach children about these dangers and how to avoid them. Open source software and online services that respect the user are entities to cherish and encourage, rather than treat like a boogeyman who's earned the title without any material evidence.
Also, to note, the NCA replied on Twitter to point out that the use of their logo on the poster was unauthorised and not endorsed.
I think it can be very useful also for startups that don't specialise in security to make sane security policies based on something "official".
Unfortunately, when it comes to some parts of the UK marketing their solutions to preventing cybercrime and blackhats, this is just one of their finest ideas. /s
Have to admit it’s sort of nice they give kids a roadmap on where to get started. We all know the easiest way to get a kid to do something is to tell them they can’t or should not, then they list specific item not to do. To bad they did not link to https://kali.training
As a parent I totally agree!
Maybe it’s some sort of clever reverse-psychology trick to train the next generation of GCHQ minions; or maybe it’s a social honeypot. More likely, somebody somewhere had to throw some money at friends and cronies and came up with this “campaign”.
At my age we used Backtrack Linux
> BackTrack was a Linux distribution that focused on security, based on the Knoppix Linux distribution aimed at digital forensics and penetration testing use. In March 2013, the Offensive Security team rebuilt BackTrack around the Debian distribution and released it under the name Kali Linux.
Really top-notch logic there in the UK. Brexit's finest.
Relax. This is an example of some jobsworth in West Midlands, who has binge-watched Mr. Robot, got carried away trying to impress the boss' and released this under the cover of 'Safer Internet Day 2020' initiative. It is not a UK policy and it is definitely not related to Brexit.
This hasn't made it into the news cycle outside of social media, because of other pressing matters like Covid-19, storms, cabinet reshuffle etc. Once it does, most tech savvy Brits will be having a good laugh, while others will ignore the message entirely and start searching for these tools ─ either way it is a non-story.
Labeling Linux as dangerous tool is far from reality.
Parents reading this, let your kids use Linux!
Not sure about the /s on the end there. This was the finest idea they could come up with as evidenced by them running with it and distributing this leaflet. Presumably there were worse ideas they considered and rejected leaving this as their finest idea. Not a good idea but the best they could come up with.
> 2. Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember installing?
> 3. Has your child asked for new hardware?
> 4. Does your child read hacking manuals?
> 5. How much time does your child spend using the computer each day?
> 6. Does your son use Quake?
> 7. Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour?
> 8. Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"?
> 9. Has your son radically changed his appearance?
> 10. Is your son struggling academically?
The more things change, the more they stay the same, eh?
This is GOLD!
58% - "They smell bad"
If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well.
This aged well...
these would be refined to be more useful and then used together to check for TAILS_terms in a user's emails and they are also accessing TAILS_websites and then in conjunction with other flags to find POIs.
Pete Seger on being black listed in America, 1965 CBC Archives
Don't make me defend this rubbish! =)
That being said, I don't expect law enforcement to be that sophisticated.
I wonder what percentage of parents get caught up in this. I bet that it's more than 1%.
Where I grew up, teachers used to punish tellers along side the alleged offender because it was bad for society.
Where was this?
I wonder if there is a link between these snitch cultures and secularism/atheism. Rather puts a spin on "keeping it G," as well.
One day a kid tattled about something and the teacher roared "Don't snitch!"
And we're also missing the subtext - which isn't specifically about using Kali etc, but about the implication that anyone clever, curious, and different should be considered dangerous.
> Have to admit it’s sort of nice they give kids a roadmap on where to get started. We all know the easiest way to get a kid to do something is to tell them they can’t or should not, then they list specific item not to do. To bad they did not link to https://kali.training
Seriously though, I bet they'll get a bunch of people downloading this stuff just because it's "forbidden".
"Micheal, where did you get this?"
"It's from a website."
2. Report them for using Linux
• Medicine: anti-vaccination
• Chemistry: “X is one atom from being bleach” (so is water)
• Law: Freemen of the land
• Biology: Anything related to GMOs
• Physics: “Will the LHC destroy the universe?”
• Politics: “My opponent literally eats babies in the basement of a pizza parlour”
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
It is used by the DoD, Canada's DND, and the UK's MoD, and by extension I assume all of the 5eyes.
It is the standard tool.
This isn't "just because" they saw it on Mr.Robot.
"I along with many others tried Linux during college"... but I never inhaled.
Well worth taking ~2 minutes out of your day for if you havent't seen it.
Kids should break stuff apart, mess with the parts, try to reassemble them, bypass obstacles, change everything, ruin it all and make it whole again in their own ways. This is not just the natural way of learning, this is also the base of engineering and all scientific thought. If have children (or know someone who does) and don't encourage this behaviour, please reconsider.
Humans should be explorers, not the "consumers" of the universe.
As well as the very 1984 like, "engage them into positive diversions." Great copy!
This kind of thinking is really a bigger problem imho
Second, theres no mx or mailserver there...the SOA is AWS though...
If I see a kid with a $200 wireless hacking toolkit running TOR on a Kali KVM hypervisor full of metasploit nodes and actively discussing the whole thing on discord, and its my kid, im calling the local university.
Registrations at the second level of ccTLDs is not uncommon, and Nominet has relatively recently opened .uk registrations to anyone, after a period of trademark and .co.uk-holders only.
whereas in the past people fought to get their skills recognized, soon people will fight for skill privacy
"let us know so we can give advice and engage them into positive diversions"
Sounds like police actually trying to have a positive impact here.
I acknowledge that this brochure _might_ represent fear-mongering, but based on what's actually written in the brochure, it doesn't sound like the police are looking to put kids on a list.
As an example, I called them once (using a non emergency number before anyone says anything) because I was worried about a vulnerable relative who I couldn't get hold of and they were great - went to his house and called back to say he was fine, just couldn't hear the phone over the TV.
But even a wellness check can go exceedingly wrong in the US.
"He said he called a non emergency number for a wellness check. Smith said minutes later he heard a gunshot."
For example, the UK police do not routinely carry firearms.
Its the system you put your kid into by calling the police on them. Police don't have choices in a lot cases and the system around them has a lot of rules that capture people in them for years.
These things are not wrong to use, at best what this will do is scare idiot parents, and perhaps put some talented, interested kids off from learning more about computers as a bunch of clueless authority figure in their life freak out about completely innocent computer use.
At worst kids will be traumatised, put on watchlists and strain could be put on family cohesion.
A simple "Hey (son/daughter), the police told me that if anybody on Discord tells you to download LOIC, then you're probably in with the wrong crowd" is what I would hope would come of this (along with the typical internet stranger danger shpiel).
I also am scared of the worst case scenario you present, but this brochure doesn't seem like that to me.
"Hey kid stop doing that, turn off the computer we're taking it away, I saw that on a police poster" is more likely.
You don't tell people to contact the police over innocuous stuff like this. It's ridiculous.
The police in the UK are institutionally ignorant of computers and computer use, and this poster is harmful.
(edit: Can you not see this for what it is? Fear and ignorance in poster form?)
(edit2: The NCA have said they were not involved in this poster. Looks like an ignorant local police/council screwup)
That's probably how most people will take it though, unfortunately.
You're being deliberately contrarian here, to attempt to paint it as something positive.
Like I said, the NCA have distanced themselves from this nonsense, this is local cops who have no clue producing a bullshit poster.
I'm not sure it's helpful to suggest to parents who may be in over their head that Discord and Virtual Machines are "wrong to do" or even things to worry about.
This is a poster that will scare the technically illiterate into taking computer access away from their kids.
Pardon but you'll need to come with us. We need to make sure you aren't publishing the _wrong_ sorts of things. Don't worry, I'm sure this will get sorted out just fine.
Except in police states.