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Releasing hundreds of open-source tools and donating protocols to standards bodies is really not what I would consider evil. The web is a thousand times better now than it was ten years ago.

And despite the frequent misinformation, "Don't be evil" has never once left their code of conduct.




> The web is a thousand times better now than it was ten years ago.

How?? For who??

The web in 2010: type something into Google, click first result, enjoy life

The web in 2020: type something into Google, try to figure out which results are ads, click several results before anything is useful, click through cookie disclaimer, refuse to allow notifications, decline to download the mobile app, attempt to dismiss surprise autoplay video that pops up once you scroll, except one of 30 scripts didn't load right or something so the popup's background stays covering up the page, disable javascript in frustration. Oops, now Cloudflare thinks you're a bot and all you're allowed to do on the web any more is teach Google's AI what traffic lights and crosswalks look like.


This. And don't forget constant nagging about linking everything to a Google or Facebook account.

The web has turned into a nightmare for end users. I hope there will be a popular uprising of some sort, people saying that enough is enough, but I doubt it'll happen. Everyone seems happy about downloading gazillions of individual apps that are little more than wrappers for the web sites, just so the companies can get a better platform for poking around people's phones.


> The web is a thousand times better now than it was ten years ago.

I disagree wholeheartedly. I think the web is much worse than it was ten years ago, and the trendline indicates that it will continue on that trajectory.


I honestly think peak web was reached some time around 2003.


I find it significantly better as both a user and developer, but of course it is a subjective thing.


I think it's much worse as a user (ads everywhere disguised as informative articles, bloated websites, constant tracking, consolidation of websites into a few corporate silos)

and also much worse as a developer (wow wtf javascript frameworks)


As a developer, maybe -- I'm not a web dev, so I have no way of knowing.

As a web user, though, it's substantially worse for me. Websites tend to have less substance and useful information, they tend to be flashier and harder to use, the ubiquitous tracking is completely unacceptable, and the web is becoming increasingly opaque and dangerous as more and more of it requires client-side scripting and the like in order to function.

As the web gets smaller and smaller for me every day, I honestly think that I'll see the day when the web is something that I will largely stop using altogether.


The web is better in some technical aspects, certainly, but much worse regarding privacy, mass surveillance and data collection.


>Releasing hundreds of open-source tools and donating protocols to standards bodies is really not what I would consider evil. The web is a thousand times better now than it was ten years ago.

Is it really? I only see small marginal improvements in the technical side, and lots of losses in the freedom, privacy, quality of treatment as a customer or user, etc, side, a lot of them because of Google.

>And despite the frequent misinformation, "Don't be evil" has never once left their code of conduct.

Yes, it just left their actual conduct.


Were you even born 10 years ago? I'm assuming not if that is what you actually believe. I couldn't disagree more.


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I'm flagging your comment for abuse. I've been developing on the web for over 15 years.


This makes the parent's point, as "for over 15 years" means you've started around 2005 -- well into the Google era. You never known the web without Google, which is why you can say "Google built the web" and other such nonsense.


> You never known the web without Google

Of course I have. I used Ask Jeeves before Google even existed, and navigated via those awful web directory services before that.

I never claimed that Google "built the web", but that they've contributed to it. You're putting words in my mouth.




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