> Once you choose to monetize your apps we'll take care of everything. Outpan will use sophisticated ads with optimized placements on your apps to autmatically generate revenue for you.
If you click on the 'i' at the bottom right it shows this dialogue:
"Musical Chord Progression Arpeggiator
by LetsPlayAGame
A quick way to sketch out musical chord progressions.
Copyright (c) 2019 by Jake Albaugh
Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:
The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE."
So that looks to be mostly in the clear, but it would be nice to know if the uploader really is the creator.
I'm a co-creator of Outpan. You are correct that there are lots of open source projects on Outpan, because we offer financial incentives for people to host apps on Outpan (the incentive is similar to Youtube).
That said, there are also many proprietary apps and games on Outpan too and if an app is posted by someone who doesn't have the rights to do so, it is removed and the user is banned; then again with open source, as long as the license is valid and the terms followed properly, we can't really remove them. In the case of this particular app, it was under MIT license as mentioned in the about section. I understand that the 'About' section of the app may not be super clear causing confusion, we'll try to make it more visible.
Definitely cheeky. All work on CodePen is by default MIT. Looking at the first demo on the homepage, the act name is “cpmirror”, so fair to say people looking to jump on making money from others work is a big incentive... but also, what’s new I guess :(
Not really, since the original software is released under an open source license, in this case the MIT license which allows for monetization as long as the terms are followed. If the poster hadn't followed the terms we wouldn't be ok with it.
This is common on mobile app stores too: for example there are many variations of the ZXing barcode app which all follow the terms of the open source license, some are even paid apps.
Another example would be cloud services offering commercial products based on mysql, redis, elastic...
You're not breaking any contracts or laws, but posting a clone of a previously discussed project with ads tacked on by a third party is worthless spam. I flagged the link and I suggest others do the same.
Not the first spam, one of which was even titled Show HN:
I didn't know this project was posted before; that's my fault and I apologize for it. I have contacted the mods to remove the post if they feel so. That said, I have never tried to spam HN, just posted links from our site which I thought the community might like, I'm sorry if it came across as spammy.
Funnily enough, you said the exact same thing the last time you were called out for it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21108977, but apparently didn't feel the need to stop posting such submissions?
Who is to say the poster isn't you, after all you are submitting the link here too to draw traffic to it. I don't like the smell of this even if it may be following the letter of the law. You are essentially monetizing other people's work without even notifying the original authors so they can claim their own work.
I don't know man... I tend to agree with @recursive here. I think some of you guys aren't treating the poster fairly.
I can see why this would get some people fired up. It definitely feels a little gross presented in this manner. But... it IS MIT liscense. Nobody made the author release it this way.
He could have easily released the demo on his own website and not provided the code "without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies".
I'm glad people pointed out the original author, I just went and browsed his codepen page. But we have to assume he is OK with people coyping or even selling the code assuming the license is not breached.
I'm not complaining about the existence of Outpan, or trying to mount some defense of the original author.
I'm saying that links to this kind of aggregator have no place on Hacker News. What benefit is it to the community to have the authorship hidden and ads added?
Talking about licensing is orthogonal to my point. Blogspam is totally legal and not accepted here. This is no different.
That's a beautiful tool. I should collect and organize all my music links from the past six months or so there are all kinds of very nice tools out there.
Pretty neat. It'd be nice to be able to choose more chords. For instance with some inversions the voice leading can be improved. Also it'd allow for using secondary dominant and other chords with non-scale notes.
Pretty cool, though it seems there are many common progressions that it can't make, as it forces you to choose a single scale for everything (the block titled "mode" should really say "scale"). For example, minor progressions rarely stick to a single scale like this tool requires.
With that said, you can still make a wealth of cool progressions in a single scale, and the limitation is interesting to work with.
Perhaps "scale" should be its own block. The first 7 modes listed are in fact modes of the same scale so the name is fitting. But "Melodic" and "Harmonic" are their own scales, each with a corresponding set of 7 modes.
It would be cool to select modes of those scales as well. For example Phrygian Dominant (mode of Harmonic minor) is very common in a lot of metal music, some classical, Eastern European, etc.
As an aside, the line visual for the arpeggio styles is really cool! It would be neat to select different arpeggios for each chord and see the whole progression drawn out as a line.
> it forces you to choose a single scale for everything
That confused me as well, but I think what the author meant was that the scale applies to the I. If, for instance, you enter IV III II I Ionian, you get the Lydian-Phrygian-Dorian-Ionian you'd expect (at least as far as I hear it).
Everything on there sounds pretty interesting, especially if it can deliver the goods :)
I signed up to be notified, but is there a rough idea of when you’re planning to launch?
Actually, this whole site is pretty strange. Lots of code and open source projects just kinda copied into an app library.