> On this topic I've noticed something quaint on HN: people making excuses for China's "special" situation or even arguing against democracy itself.
I don't think it's quaint or HN-specific, especially if you talk with people outside of tech. People make excuses for China because the official narrative ("we're Good Guys who do Good Things, they're Evil People who Hate our Freedom") is bullshit, and are also impressed with their ability to execute large-scale infrastructure projects, something the West no longer can. On the other side, they look at how democratic governments are primarily a tax-funded, continuously running standup comedy.
But the conclusion from that isn't "China good, democracy bad"; you won't find many people who would actually prefer for their government to be replaced by the CCP. People are just asking, "could we stop with the bullshit good/evil narrative, try to understand them and their motivations instead, and perhaps figure out how to do infrastructure again and make our politics be less of a shit-show"? I'd say it's a fair sentiment.
I doubt that anyone's concerned about the average Chinese citizen and whether they're evil. The discussions are always about the government.
The fact that "we" whoever might that be are not the good guys doesn't actually influence whether the Chinese government are the bad guys. Their behavior makes them the bad guys.
I don't think it's quaint or HN-specific, especially if you talk with people outside of tech. People make excuses for China because the official narrative ("we're Good Guys who do Good Things, they're Evil People who Hate our Freedom") is bullshit, and are also impressed with their ability to execute large-scale infrastructure projects, something the West no longer can. On the other side, they look at how democratic governments are primarily a tax-funded, continuously running standup comedy.
But the conclusion from that isn't "China good, democracy bad"; you won't find many people who would actually prefer for their government to be replaced by the CCP. People are just asking, "could we stop with the bullshit good/evil narrative, try to understand them and their motivations instead, and perhaps figure out how to do infrastructure again and make our politics be less of a shit-show"? I'd say it's a fair sentiment.