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Last year Denmarks weather was amazing, which meant no wind at all. What was the solution? Coal from germany who despite having great weather too and based on sun couldnt do anything else. This is the reality. The two countries with the supposedly most agressive use of alternatives cant even support each other without the use of coal.



False. At least provide some kind of citation for such an exceptional claim.

Source: https://windeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/files/about-wind/s...

1.5 WIND POWER GENERATION

Denmark had the highest share (Percentage of the average annual electricity demand covered by wind) (41%) in Europe in 2018.

The figures represent the average of the share of wind in final electricity demand, captured hourly from ENTSO-E and corrected thanks to national TSOs and BEIS data.


Electricity no energy yes. It's 17% of the danish energy usage. Not sure what you want proof of.

Wind and solar are intermittent sources which makes them seasonally irregular and requires backup energy from other more stable sources such as coal, oil, gas and nuclear.

https://www.windpowermonthly.com/article/1490548/danish-wind...

http://cphpost.dk/news/scorching-summer-causes-electricity-p...


You claimed “Last year Denmarks weather was amazing, which meant no wind at all.“ then went on to talk about coal, this was explicitly about electricity generation. Your claim was absurd and provably false. We can have a civil and normal discussion about the downsides of renewable intermittency if you want, or you can make absurd claims like that and I think most people will take you for some kind of crank.


What are you talking about? Last years weather were amazing and Denmark did get electricity from coal in germany. If you want ti have a civil discussion perhaps start with yourself. This is not something i am making up.


Goes to show the climate change we're facing can only be properly countered while (mostly) maintaining nowadays' lifestyle if we, as societies, take caring of being less "every man for himself" and work more toward a solidarity-based world-view. Basically, we need to stop pretending and start acting the Human Rigths we created about 70 years ago. Individualism has failed, animosity culture has too. A simple solution would be to have the global power grid more connected: when it's winter on the north, it's summer on the south, so the winter countries could easily get energy from say, Sahara's Desert's solar plants. It's just an example.

An interconnected sustainable grid would foster the necessity of developed countries properly paying back to the atrocities committed to to underdeveloped countries, with things such as:

1) Investing in development, education in such countries

2) Investing in sustainable energy generation there

3) Subsidizing the costs of much 1st world technology in order for those countries to rise out of extreme poverty

Again, just simple examples; used African continent but could be extended to many other places. We need a "Green New Deal" because extreme capitalism has failed to a point we're now facing our own extinction if things continue like they are. Sure, sounds like wishful thinking, or something that would require some kind of ultimate class-based warfare, but I do believe this path can be achieve without a bloodstained revolution. The alternative is to be enslaved by the plutocracy and eventually to die off as a species, in the far future. Or bear arms and get your hards dirty, but I'm not an advocate for that.

What Greta has said in the UN, I agree with her: the current way dominant classes are acting upon the world's most damning issue seems to be a simple act of looking with a blasé face and not caring. If the wealthy believes all those billions are just going to watch as life becomes utterly difficulty on this planet, they may find not everyone is as peaceful as I am.

In short, there's no sustainable future with the way capitalism operates currently.


We are already doing the things you want us to do.

The only way to solve this is through capitalism not through the currently politically motivated energy capitalism where they pick the winners.

Capitalism certainly ain't perfect but it beats all other structures hands down. It does so because it recognizes human nature which is part selfishness and part altruism and existing in a gradient depending on the relationship of the partners it's in.

Keep in mind that most of our success as rich nations is because of our use of energy especially fossil fuels.

There is no current sustainable energy generation that can solve the increasing need for energy without the use of more fossil fuel and there is no curren green energy supply that can deliver as stable as Nuclear.

The chances of Greta being alive today without the use of fossil fuel and our energy consumption would be much lover. We don't owe anything especially not to a little girl who is being misused by cynical politicians and environmental organizations to make unscientific claims and to blame the very generations that have made sure she is able to grow up in the most safe environment of all times.

Capitalism is the only way we can move forward, the idea that a few politicians know what to is exactly the kind of dangerous thinking that is leading us towards a less safe, less prosperous world.


> a little girl who is being misused by cynical politicians and environmental organizations to make unscientific claims

Ridiculous right wing smears. Is this what the pro-nuclear lobby has sunk to?


As far as i am concerned she is the one smearing and the organization around her largely guilty of that. And talk about smearing. And I'm not right wing. So pot calling the kettle




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