> He has a do it yurtself website w/ all the fancy content, presumably he's planning on selling that.
But I’ll add, I’m a professional filmmaker and producer which is maybe why some people are thrown off because the images are a step up from the normal iphone/dslr photos and videos people typically post. Ideally, the quality of the documentation is appreciated, especially for something that is free and hopefully useful for people trying to do something similar.
The guy who put together this yurt is also the same guy who converted a van to a camper van (link was on Hacker News a while back: http://thevanual.com/). I recall he had next-to-nothing in construction experience.
Yet it's something that you can do yourself, since all resources are available (contrast this with something like cutting edge electronic devices).
Why should you be owed more than a yurt should you decide to build a yurt? If you're making a post to advertise a service, all I expect is a notice disclaiming as much. Otherwise, it certainly feels dishonest.
In essence, this house has not been benchmarked.
But i guess the winters will be horribly cold without anything that could be called decent insulation.
And the whole weight of the roof (and maybe snow) is on that little wooden fence. And its better not going to get windy, because as as you can see in https://i.imgur.com/i3o9MBj.mp4 the bars are mostly just hooked into the top of the fence. As someone who learned basic structural engineering, this is giving me shivers. The roof can hold itself pretty nicely like an archway,... but if you get lots and lots of wind from the side, my guts say that it might evolve into a big problem.
The stains on roofs are from mildew. They will likely have to power wash every few months, assuming the water doesn’t cut through eventually.
I’m unclear about ventilation or the ability to do basic maintenance like walking on the roof.
Yurts do not do well in extreme heat. It's best to find a location for a yurt that is in a mild climate and in a place where you can build in some partial shade. During the summer months, you can use fans or potentially an A/C unit if you have the power to run it.
In the summer direct sunlight can warm them considerably, but if well placed in shaded areas then the temperature is well moderated. Some units have a vent in the oculus at the top for use in the summer.
There is zero mildew if platformed well and clad properly with water protective barriers.
Building codes don't exist without good reasons. Health and comfort don't happen by snapping finger at good ideas. I would really be interesting if construction engineers seriously studied yurts.
I have to say this looks pretty nice and it's pretty cheap, but humans did not start building with hard materials without good reasons. Even without fossil energy, humans still started to use stone, cement, etc.
I guess brick has a very long lifespan, it's worth the time spent, but I don't know if it's cheap.
> Strength: The fundamental principles of a yurt’s design creates a structure that is surprisingly strong. The compression and tension of the walls and roof can hold thousands of pounds of weight from the snow. The round shape allows high winds to be diverted gracefully around the structure. Unlike a normal house, a yurt doesn’t rely on rigidity to be stable. Because of its flexible nature, a yurt can better withstand natural disasters like earthquakes.
So maybe it's true and they are actually sturdier than it seems?
 https://doityurtself.com/is-it-for-you/ (scroll down to "The positives of yurts")
I'm not sure if I'm under-thinking this or if you guys are.
These kits have been around a long time, I’ve been in one that has been standing for some time, I didn’t notice mildew issues (I’m guessing there is some type of ridge vent at the peak) temperatures were ok. It was in the Bay Area and plenty of apartments there aren’t insulated, so the yurt wasn’t much different.
This is an expensive build, Idk if wiring the yurt for electricity is worth it. If you keep it as all one room, a single lamp and spot to charge a laptop or phone pretty much covers it. Propane to heat water for a short hot outdoor shower, and cooking outside.
One thing to consider is if you are the type of person to make it really remote, maybe you’ll find that as cool as a mile hike in is to your yurt, you will occasionally want to hang out there without the hike.
It's a good question and I've always wanted to see postmortems on alternative building methods generally. I suppose that we could always take on the Japanese philosophy of building homes anew every few decades.
'Round these parts, I'm afraid that a yurt would be crushed by the first real snowfall, but the build isn't in these parts so no harm, no foul.
Personally, I'd think twice about building over an old blackberry patch. There's a reason that the plants like that place and the word 'swamp' comes to mind. It's already hard enough to deal with moisture in a dwelling as it is.
In any case, it sure looks cool and I like the builder's spirit.
Most homes in the US are simple wood frames, with wood cladding. No one worries about the lifespan of those houses.
Just gotta keep the timbers dry and insect-free (or -free-enough).
But all the modern stick frames, hmm, no so much..
It was built on the highest point in the farm field. Water flows away from the house at all times. It uses full size framing (actual 2x4) with solid boards as sheathing.
The roof was maintained and the shading trees do their job to keep UV exposure low.
A building is a system. You can neglect major parts and it breaks down. Modern construction unfortunately optimises for less time on the job site and ready-made cheap materials. Easy to make mistakes that reduce the lifetime of the structure.
insulation: looks pretty awful to me. this thing is going to be cold in winter unless you keep the fire going 24/7
plants: good luck keeping these with enough light+water. watering these seems like a total nightmare given how any drips are going to ruin your structure/drywall.
foundation: anyone doing this, rent a (or buy a cheap) concrete mixer! I bought one used for $100 on craigslist. can sell it right back when you are done with the project.
flooring: "luxury vinyl planks" are awesome. I use the "lifeproof" brand (bought at home-depot) and they are great. completely waterproof, durable, and look like wood.
There are counties in the US that do permit yurts even for full-time use. These gurts are signed off by a structural engineer and are typically in more temperate climates. Yurts can last quite a long time. Most of the exterior material has a 15 year warranty. Beyond that, it will depend on the climate and how well the structure is maintained. There are yurts that were constructed by the OG yurt companies back in the late 70s that are still in use today. And the materials and engineering has only gotten better over the decades. Yurts are not perfect for every environment, but they are an interesting option in specific use cases.
They've been pretty hostile for a while. Look at this disgusting behaviour:
# Mobile UA
$ curl -v -H "Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,applciation/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8" -H "User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Android 10; Mobile; rv:68.0) Gecko/68.0 Firefox/68.0" https://i.imgur.com/6WAZZpN.jpg
< HTTP/2 302
< retry-after: 0
< location: https://m.imgur.com/6WAZZpN?r
# Desktop UA
$ curl -v -H "Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,applciation/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8" -H "User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:71.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/71.0" https://i.imgur.com/6WAZZpN.jpg | file -
< HTTP/2 200
< last-modified: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 20:45:26 GMT
< etag: "21d323ddb1c1926ab0d7a5bb9786c996"
< content-type: image/jpeg
/dev/stdin: JPEG image data, baseline, precision 8, 2250x1500, components 3
They use UA sniffing to disguise this behaviour from technical users on desktop. They also detect if you're using curl and spoofing a mobile UA (which sends Accept: * / *), in which case this dark UX pattern is disabled.
They serve a lot of traffic, and the bandwidth expenses are probably quite big.
The company is prioritizing ads over user content and I can see no world where users desire this.
Eg: When I click an i.imgur.com/xxxxxxxx.png link I expect to be taken to the image file, not be redirected to the horrid, slow and bloated mobile UI.
That and the ever present obnoxious prompt to download the app.
It seems it isn’t really that costly to build a nice 1000 sq. ft. place complete with appliances and modern amenities.
The construction industry in India is shitty - carpenters, painters, plumbers, masons, general contractors have little to no professional training and eff up projects often, the tools aren’t modern and renovation work is infrequent because of the poor quality of construction services (and non-existent DIY culture and ecosystem). Also, it’s probably looked down upon in the Indian society if a house owner goes DIY with any construction work (gardening is an exception).
I built my house from 2003 to 2005 in rural TN with only a couple of permits needed (electrician, one for the well, one for the septic system) and no special laws about what contractors i could employ. This was self-funded, self labor, etc etc as much as possible; and probably about the most benign location for the effort in the entire USA.
Contractors are supposedly licensed and bonded. They may employ others. There are some very good ones - they are all booked out years in advance. The shady/shitty/marginal ones are easier to find.
It's been a tremendous amount of work but is otherwise rather doable. The internet/youtube has been very helpful (like Neo downloading how to kungfu). Another surprise is how helpful the building inspectors have been. They're usually dealing with cranky contractors who want to do the minimum, and we've been very eager for their advice on how to make things last since we'll be living there.
It's been notably more expensive (maybe 15-20%) than we expected, mainly do to the modern building practices and materials which are either required by code or just a good idea.
It was eye-opening to end up at a photography exhibition by a guy who did government-backed photography in the south in 20s and see the same house my babushka used to live in.
But frankly, it doesn’t mean these were _good_ houses.
Of course, that was decades ago...
When you configure your surroundings for maximum convenience and minimum effort you're more likely to grow fat and lazy sooner than later, it's basically accelerating the aging process.
Wow, I'd like to know more about what happened there. He installed all those concrete pilings on land he didn't own?
Definitely spent a few minutes fantasizing about having one of these as a cabin in the woods someplace.
I don't suppose that's familiar to anyone else? I expect I saw it on HN in the first place, the URL was something focussed on the efficiency/climate aspect, though most of the content (and to be honest what I was interested in!) was just generally applicable how-to/DIY for each step.
Edit: Ah! I found it: https://www.savingsustainably.com (I wasn't quite right above, I suppose perhaps the efficiency goal is a product of 'FIRE' rather than climate concern). And some more update since I last caught up with it, excellent.
However, the most memorable thing arriving in Ulan Bator was seeing two different yurts on fire. Fabric buildings containing wood (dung) burning stoves and chimneys have not looked tempting since.
if you've ever stayed in an Oregon State Parks Yurt they were built by https://www.yurts.com/
From their FAQ:
"Homes built with our products are permanent and comfortable for full-time all-season living in nearly every climate. They are built with durable building materials to stand for generations; a fabric yurt is basically a really nice tent. A SWY will meet and exceed the most current international Residential Building codes and can be insulated to industry standards for energy-efficiency using proven R-value products, a fabric yurt will not. We have insulated glass windows whereas fabric yurts have vinyl windows that open from the outside. SWY homes can be secured, fully-insured, and generally qualify for conventional financing under most circumstances through a third-party. Please note: Smiling Woods Yurts does not offer any financing on our products."
Some yurts are tents, some are more substantial.
I’ve looked into earthships, bagged houses, abodo, containers, small houses and other DIY methods.
These yurts seems like the right balance between cost, DIY capability and results.
Particularly this loft design, which I’ve seen on some NZ YouTube videos.
My plan, a yurt on land approximately 2 - 3 hours from
Melbourne, plus a sprinter van or troopy. And I’ll buy a private parking space in Melbourne, for when I want to weekend / overnight in town.
Zero mortgage. Fuck your house prices, keep em.
If anybody wants to see how a traditional Yurt/Ger is put up, you should watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLO-z-XJ7_U
It's quite different in some respects and the main difference is that the load is shared between the lattice walls and an interior post structure as well as the heating being centralized under the oculus.
Around here we pour the whole thing on the ground, with rocks and concrete, the whole ground is covered, then the house is built on that.
Footing and stem wall construction. Basically a perimeter concrete wall with a treated lumber mud sill. Fairly common for wood framed houses. Advantage is you can get under it to repair electrical, plumbing, and heating vents. Disadvantage : You probably don't want to if you hate small spaces and spiders.
Slab foundations on grade. Probably more common in newer construction. Cheap. Disadvantage: Sadness when you realize a leaking water pipe has created a spring in the middle of the living room floor.
And there are basement foundations. Common in areas where the ground freezes. Basements are either concrete or cinder block.
> Poor temperature control, noise level, and not so temporary
I'm wondering why you would build a yurt instead of one of the numerous more traditional wood frame green pre-fabs, which would essentially eliminate all of these negatives?
Is having that many plants around your bed safe? Can they release enough CO2 to effect your sleep quality or is it a myth I remember from my childhood?
It seems even a small pet, like a hamster, could produce more CO2 than a home full of trees/plants during the night.
The amount of produced CO2 is AFAIR fairy small to introduce any problems for people sleeping in a room.
I'm such a fan of these tiny homes!
Edit: I just noticed that you also specify off grid. That as a foundational principle would lead one to simpler choices. A composting toilet is much simpler than a septic system.
You may argue that it is more complex, but almost everything is more complex than defecating into a bag.
I am the same, typically accrue a bunch of leave then when I move to a new job they have to pay it out. But I have been burned before.
The one advantage to tents is mobility, but Yurts are pretty much permanent tents. They’re the worst tent.
If you’re a nomadic group in the plains with not much wood around and a herd of animals it makes sense. Build tents with skins, burn the poo for fire.
So... Portland, OR?
16x40 tiny house built by the amish costs 16k delivered. Includes 2 lofts for beds. Exterior completely done, interior is up to you (that includes wiring, sheetrock, carpet, insulation appliances etc.)
49k gets you quite a lot of interior. Total square footage is 6x this yurt. Pretty though.
Feel free to email me if you want, email in profile.
Wish the plants were real.
Pic from the glass roof of the starry night is a must.
A small dog will put out significantly more CO2 sleeping beside your bed than all of those plants will. A person even more - if it was a single person, would you caution them against having another person sleep over due to co2 production? What if they were bringing in a third person to spice things up? Or more pets? Friends crashing on the couch downstairs?
We should pay more attention to CO2 levels than we do, especially in offices and particularly enclosed meeting rooms, but plants expire so little co2 in comparison to animals that there's really no reason to worry about them in anything regarding a normal situation.
The post just didn't feel like a genuine DIY project.
OP is a very talented videographer/photographer and it definitely pushed this out of feeling "DIY" for me. I'm glad to see that OP removed some of the forced marketing content to focus purely on the DIY side of this project. I don't really get the whole yurt thing (especially on cost compared to a more traditional route), but it's a neat project.
It's pretty neat and a lot of work, even if not entirely DIY. I mean, at some point you're going to buy pre-made parts. It's not like people grow their own trees, cut them down and cut their own planks. It's not a log cabin.
A common theme I see on r/DIY is that for a project to be popular with other DIYers, the project itself has to seem like something that can be reasonably accomplished by am average person with only a little bit of help here and there. For example, something like remodeling a bathroom is still a popular DIY project even if you use a 'kit' for stuff like the shower and sink. The big appeal though is that installing new tiles, lighting elements, sinks etc are something that a lot of people can look at and say "yea, I could do that!"
This post, on the other hand, has a very "professional experience required" feel to it. From the use of heavy machinery, to having help from friends who are professional designers and hiring professional electricians, to the professional-grade photography, and even just the scale of the project itself, this definitely doesn't seem like something that an average person could reasonably expect to be able to actually "do it yourself".