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I’ve stated this before: cigarettes will kill me with a 100% probability (I was smoking over a pack a day).

Maybe vaping will not kill me. Maybe I’ll grow a third arm in 20 years. I don’t know. But I have to play the odds; “100% certainty” vs “maybe not”, I know which one I’m going for.

Also, I’ve gone from 9mg of nicotine to 1mg in 2 years, because vaping allows me to monitor and measure exactly how much nicotine I put in and consume. With cigarettes, I only grew more addicted, never less.




I appreciate your optimism about the unknown, but there is the frightening possibility that maybe e-cigerattes will kill you more efficiently than your regular smokes.

If you’re using it as a way to stop completely, then that’s awesome, but all Danish research on the subject has led to vaping being on our “not-recommended” list for ways of helping people quit.


Except for the fact that other ways don’t work. It’s not possible to slowly reduce your nicotine intake with cigarettes. The only alternative is: stop all your smoking habits, and maybe one of these nicotine substitutes will help.

But that only adresses one part of the issue: the nicotine addiction. Smoking is a lot more complex than just the nicotine addiction. I know a lot of smokers who managed to take a break from cigarettes for a few months, but I’ve never met a vaper who went back to cigarettes.

I’m slowly rewiring my brain to not need cigarettes or vaping. I smoked for 15 years, and started during my formative years, so I know this will be a long process. Just telling me to chew gum or apply patches is a cop out for the government to clear its conscience about not really helping its population kick the smoking habit. There’s a reason the tobacco industry doesn’t care about patches and gum: it doesn’t work for the majority of smokers.


>It’s not possible to slowly reduce your nicotine intake with cigarettes. The only alternative is: stop all your smoking habits, and maybe one of these nicotine substitutes will help.

Why not? Just go from 2 packs a day to 1.9, to 1.8 etc..


That tapers the physical addiction part of it, but worsens the psychological part of the addiction, because now that you're having less, you're craving each cigarette more, and start valuing those you allow yourself to have even more. In the end, by doing this, you're suffering continuous withdrawal while worsening your psychological addiction.


It's easy to say but hard to do. Every smoker and ex-smoker I know has tried to quit multiple times, so there's a bunch of experience there. Their consensus (I don't smoke, so no firs-thand experience) seems to be that going from 2 packs a day to 0 (or a "party mode" where it's 0 most days but a pack during a festival or something) is actually easier than going from 2 packs to 1.

Habits and addiction work in ways that aren't entirely intuitive.


How about patch/gum plus fake cigarettes that just heat air you can suck on and breathe?


Have you found that you're reducing your vaping usage?


Increase your copper intake to increase your Cu-Zn Super Oxide Dismutase enzymes[1] which will help neutralise the free radicals. Increase Vit C to gram level (ascorbic acid mixed in milk is good), this is a base for many enzymes and will also help reduce the free radicals in the body. Damage to sperm can be reversed at this level. The liver metabolises nicotine into an alkoid called Cotinine which is thought to be the main reason people smoke. Other studies have suggested other chemicals are also linked to addiction found in tobacco because rat studies have shown rats will prefer water sources without nicotine in, when given a choice. Tobacco also increases the level of copper in the blood stream, helping to make smokers go grey more quickly than peers. Water only fasting will reduce tobacco cravings within a few days, which then also gives the body a chance to clean itself up more quickly because White blood cell counts will remain elevated in the lungs for as much as 5 years after giving up smoking. No studies on vapours yet. Whilst its been shown that brain pathways take 42 days to rewire themselves which is the period of time thought to remove the addiction from the brain, the liver is more involved in the brain and addiction pathways than the medical profession will care to admit. Another easy way to give up smoking is consuming raw Ox liver. The enzymes in the liver like catalase, ceruloplasmin and others will remove the stress and desire to smoke plus will give you an immediate energy boost. The risk of consuming raw ox liver periodically throughout the day is from parasites, but the raw liver makes you feel very good and alive if you ever need a pick me up.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superoxide_dismutase [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotinine


i would argue that on a long enough timescale, anything will 100% kill you. not trying to be cheeky, more just trying to say that that sort of argument only really works for people who are active antismokers; most smokers (i think, from personal experience) are very aware of the danger of smoking, but feel that it offsets some condition of reality that makes it more tolerable even compared to the reduced lifetime. that's just my perspective though


Yes, you described addiction, which is a local optimum compared to being a little less addicted, because addiction traps your brain. Breaking addiction is better buy not adjacent.


"cigarettes will kill me with a 100% probability"

The murder victim rate of smokers is non zero, the road accident fatality rate of smokers is non zero.

And on the other side the lung cancer rate of non smokers is non zero.

So you can't really say ahead of time you will even die of a smoking associated cause, and even if you did, you can't definitively state that it was caused by the smoking.




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