> "We have a strong robocalling enforcement program"
...and literally could not make it further. The FTC may have legal or technological problems not of their making, and by some arcane measure may have a "strong" enforcement program, but whatever they are doing is by no means effective.
"You all have no real way of forcing us to do more currently, so we are going to avoid making a blunder and simply we will say we are super commited to the idea that we are having literally any effect at all"
There are no robocalls in Germany, where I reside. It’s a completely non-existing problem. And the FTC would have all the power to stop this right now instead of complaining about it.
If you don‘t believe me, look at what the CAN-SPAM act did to corporate communication (worldwide).
It‘s as easy as slapping a 10.000$ fine on every single robocall that‘s either made by a participant or relayed through an operator network. Problem solved in days.
But hey, it‘s „good for business“ (while probably bad for overall GDP), that explanation seems to always work to keep Americans at bay.
The UK has a law that says you mustn't call people who don't want calls. Obviously "Never call me again" makes that clear the first time, but there's a (marketing industry operated but government regulated) scheme called the Telephone Preference Service (tpsonline.org.uk) to let you say you don't want unsolicited calls from anybody. They don't really advertise it (why would they) but they are obliged to operate it or else the government will make up its own rules that would presumably be far tougher, like maybe "Nobody wants these bloody calls, knock it off".
Obviously there are still straight up _crooks_ but the thing about such a Do No Call list is it's also full of people who _hate_ telemarketers. When I was a student (~20 years ago) we had a pinned up script for timewasting telemarketers. We could waste five, ten, fifteen minutes of their time and they were never going to make a sale. And their calls were illegal anyway, so now they're losing money on a crime and when we hang up they're getting reported for the call on top of wasting all that time. So the effect is it's not very profitable AND it's illegal.
I haven't had a robocall in maybe a decade.
Pretty sure cycling through every number would get you dropped by anybody in that business. In terms of flagging yourself for attention it's like you spray-painted "Crack for sale here, no cops please" on the side of your drug warehouse. Dialling random numbers will have way too high a ratio of uncompleted calls versus anyone with an actual list of actual contacts, it would take a phone company IT person ten seconds to find out which of their customers is doing that and "suggest" they go elsewhere.
Much more likely they work from a "sucker list" vetted to weed out people like my 20-year old housemates last century who will just lose you money. That would explain nobody I know getting calls. So, I guess maybe you're just unlucky? No more help here I'm afraid -shrug-
This mindset is evident even here on HN where, for example, "Move fast and break things" is an accepted item of conventional wisdom. Moving fast and breaking things are not good in and of themselves, they are good because if you move fast and break things you can make more money than people who move more deliberately and don't break things. (Until, that is, your airplanes start to fall out of the sky.)
That's the reason that the U.S. government won't move against robocallers: they are making money, so ipso facto they must be doing something right. If you move against the robocallers, that's the beginning of a slippery slope to questioning the idea that money is the ultimate quality metric, and that will completely undermine the foundation (such as it is) of the current power structure.
It's ironic how popular prosperity theology is with American Evangelicals.
But flaunting wealth and saying your acumen caused it turns out to be effective all over the world because people want it. A lot - most - wealthy people dont even know they have enough money to have a decadent lifestyle and dont know where to start. Most are not consciously avoiding something flashy but are also constrained by their peers from being accepted for doing anything different.
So there is still a lust for people that can attract attention based on their perceived wealth.
This is the problem with theocracy: you can find a scripture to justify just about anything.
Those people spend a certain amount of money via the legalized bribery of campaign contributions to ensure that the government remains incompetent at tasks like reining in robocalls.
There will be hangers-on (older businesses, government offices), but expect that a major firm (F-100) will announce shutting off phone service entirely in this window.
(Busineses are hit as hard as households, or worse, by phone scams.)
And I think telcos actively want this.
I'm sure he is shaking in his boots. Where are up to $40,000 per violation fines? This is a toothless pseudo-enforcement and political hay.
There was a $2M fine, but it's suspended if he complies. Argh.
And your version creates a whole new abuse vector for tricking or hacki g people into making toll calls.
Egress hygiene should improve markedly.
Just fine them.
Once or twice a day for years my (ex)wife would get calls trying to sell her dead father solar panels. The calls just never stopped coming. Why call every day? I wasn't able to find out anything more about the company than they were located in Irwindale.
I always pondered this type of spam in particular. If I pretended to be interested in their product, someone would eventually show up at my house to sell me panels. Would THAT person know who was calling me?
One time, I became so frustrated, I think the call had interrupted some alone time my wife and I were having. I told the guy I'd come down to Irwindale with my assault rifle (which I don't own) and "stalk from office to office pumping round after round into colleague and coworker." He didn't recognize the Fight Club quote but proceeded to tell me threating him was a federal crime and that he would be filing a police report. I begged him to put his name on a police report so I'd know who he was. He then called me by name, and told me my address and that the police would be on their way soon. Except, it wasn't my name or address, it was my dead father-in-laws. After this, the calls stopped for a few days. But eventually they resumed.
And as most states have no meaningful regulations for payday loans, my position if I'm ever called to be a juror in an assault or murder case by someone with such a loan against the owner of a payday lending company, is juror nullification. It's not murder. It's the free market taking care of things.
One of the consequences of only allowing law enforcement to commit violence is, anything they aren't interested in enforcing becomes de facto legal.
The irony of an illegal phone scammer threatening to call the police was not lost on me.
I can't get over this statement. It is clearly axiomatic and sums up so many of the frustrations in my life.
If you buy a US number or sell them you should be required to identify yourself or your company. If your numbers are used for fraud you should held liable in some form.
Most of these calls don't come from hacked voip systems but legit sellers of trunking and DID services.
Consider yourself lucky if that hasn't already been happening to you...
The cell spam is relentless. I even get three calls a week (always from new, different numbers) to my iPhone that leave messages in Mandarin. I don't speak Mandarin. I've never done business anywhere that would warrant that.
I needed a VM spam filter years ago.
Even better, because the modem only rejects incoming calls, it won't interfere with your phone. You can continue using it as usual.
All can be done on a Raspberry Pi.
Even good old analog PSTN is only analog up to a point before being converted to digital IP-based stuff.
Every number is harassed.
Though this suggests one possible solution: a vastly increased number space. Bye-bye memorisation though.
Otherwise you can basically do anything you like in the US right now. I realize how salty that sounds but I think this is the theme unfortunately.