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Go read Jacobin. They published a big article in Vox too where the whole point was to say that social democracy (eg Scandinavian countries) is not democratic socialism. They explicitly said that there is no difference between their socialism (and communism) except for the starting point: at the ballot box not a revolution. The point of that article (explicitly) was to say that the Scandinavian countries don't go far enough. They don't believe you can push capitalism to a point where it melts down anymore, but still believe in the same changes, but it needs to start in the political sphere.

Klein literally says "I'm a socialist" or "I write for a socialist magazine" (Jacobin). Yglesias is also part of that Jacobin group. They aren't social democracy supporters, but explicitly democratic socialists.

I'm pretty well read on my socialists and anarchists, because I used to be one (I worked in am opposition campaign against the democratic Berkeley mayor because she wasn't liberal enough when I was in college).



Sunkara (of Jacobin) is not a founder of Vox.

> Klein literally says "I'm a socialist" or "I write for a socialist magazine" (Jacobin).

If you're referring to https://m.facebook.com/ezraklein/posts/10156608843688410, he's quoting Meagan Day.

> Yglesias is also part of that Jacobin group.

In what way? He has never even written an article for Jacobin. The closest thing is a Jacobin article interviewing him and other pundits for some analysis of the Democratic primaries.


Never said sunkara was and iirc the article I'm referring to was written by Day, just pointing out those with jacobin are strict socialists, not some watered down social democrats.

The second quote was to that, not the first. He seems to quote it though as self descriptive.

Ive been reading yglesias and Klein since before dailykos started and they had a name.

And ygeslesias has beam interviewed by them, sat on panels with them, written in other places with those from jacobin and mother Jones. You can't seriously be claiming he isn't in that intellectual cohort. That rich.




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