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From https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/the-facts-on-white-nationa...

* The Southern Poverty Law Center reports a dramatic increase in the number of white nationalist groups in the U.S., from 100 chapters in 2017 to 148 in 2018.

* The Anti-Defamation League reports a 182 percent increase in incidents of the distribution of white supremacist propaganda, and an increase in the number of rallies and demonstrations by white supremacy groups, from 76 in 2017 to 91 in 2018.

* A study by the Center for Strategic and International Studies found the number of terrorist attacks by far-right perpetrators quadrupled in the U.S. between 2016 and 2017, and that far-right attacks in Europe rose 43 percent over the same period. Among those incidents, CSIS states, the rise of attacks by white supremacists and anti-government extremists is “of particular concern.”



SPLC has come under increasing scrutiny as of late for making false accusations https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-southern-poverty...

'After years of smearing good people with false charges of bigotry, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has finally been held to account. A former Islamic radical named Maajid Nawaz sued the center for including him in its bogus “Field Guide to Anti-Muslim Extremists,” and this week the SPLC agreed to pay him a $3.375 million settlement and issued a public apology.'


They've done this for a while. They've even put subreddits (theredpill) as a hate group as well. (Yes, they're a less savory sub.. but an organized group no).

Also a thing to note: They've put pepe as an official hate symbol. (Sigh.. poor pepe)


I see that they made one mistake in that opinion article. FRC is a hate group and Charles Murray is racist, or at least he was when he wrote The Bell Curve.


It's hard to see how this one case invalidates the research presented by the GP.


I think the FBI numbers are more reliable, though not perfect, and they show a 17% increase but that figure also includes anti-white violence. So there is s rise but not to the degree claimed by those other orgs.

I think the FBI is neutral whereas other sources tend to have biases so they’d require additional scrutiny.


And even the FBI's numbers are vulnerable to a reporting bias. (People may report things as a hate crime today that they would not have five years ago due to interested visibility)

Measuring this sort of thing is hard, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.


The FBI is required to collect data about hate crimes, but local police departments are not required to report the data. So the FBI data only represents voluntary reporting.


Unless that changes from year to year (NYC reports this year, but not next), this should still be representative of the overall trend.

Interest groups, although well meaning, are like internal organizations preparing next year’s budget. Borderline issues cease to be borderline. (Was it domestic violence, was it hate? Obviously there is potential for both, but there’s interpretative subjectivity)


Unless red areas become increasingly politicized and decide to report less or end reporting.


But that’s counterbalanced by blue areas who may be inclined to report more...

Anyway, this is speculative. I think I trust the FBI to be more neutral than interested parties for these numbers.


The point is the FBI is a neutral collection point, but the source of data isn't as stable or systematic as those by advocacy groups trying to make more complete estimates.


From your linked article, as well:

> According to the FBI, there were 7,175 hate crime incidents in 2017, a 17 percent increase from 2016 and the third year in a row with an increase. The number of incidents in 2017 was also the highest yearly total since 2008. About 58 percent of the hate crimes in 2017 were motivated by race/ethnicity/ancestry.

In addition, FBI Director Christopher Wray testified back in April that White nationalist violence is a “persistent, pervasive threat”.

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/4/18295358/fbi-white-nationalism-...


> The Southern Poverty Law Center

The SPLC is an extremely unreliable source, who has been successfully sued for arbitrarily defaming people. Their classifications of incidents are deliberately misleading, and classify anti-government acts as "right wing", despite the fact that a huge number of lefty anarchists exist in the U.S.

> Among those incidents, CSIS states, the rise of attacks by white supremacists and anti-government extremists is “of particular concern.”

Why combine these? This would include lefty anarchists, who have a consistent and increasing record of well documented political violence. It completely obscures the point you're supposedly trying to make.

(P.S. wtf did they have to call it CSIS? Very confusing since this is the acronym for our intelligence services here in Canada)


Rather than attacking the source, perhaps you could consider the findings?


> Rather than attacking the source, perhaps you could consider the findings?

I do that too, if you look at what I said. But surely an unreliable source can't be allowed to burden everyone with continually disproving them. The SPLC has no credibility, I don't see why anyone should have to dismantle their arguments any more than any other activist publisher (occupy democrats, the daily mail, the daily stormer).

It is very difficult to win a defamation suit in the U.S. The SPLC have been proven a fraud in the courts, that's an extremely high bar of bullshit.




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