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> automated sneaker buying

???

Please ELI5. I mean, why are sales bad, even if automated? Are they using stolen cards?



Most likely related to high-demand, limited run sneaker "drops", which people then resell on the secondary market. Sneaker-scalpers, if you will. It's a problem because it prevents legit buyers from getting in on the sale.


Why don't they just sell more of them?

Or as ALittleLight says, auction them?

Edit: OK, I know, limited editions. Like numbered and signed prints. But it's arguable that people who want them the most will get them. Even if it's just for resale. Doesn't seem like the seller's responsibility.


> Doesn't seem like the seller's responsibility.

sounds like to me that the seller doesn't want the scalper to sell outside the official channels imho. It might dilute the brand as well.


Exclusivity agreements are anti-competitive tbqh

The real problem is supply. Popular tickets are scalped because there's only so many tickets. Then unpopular tickets are scalped because it was so easy to scalp the popular ones.

There's only so many sneakers that can be made: making more chews up the supply chain for something which isn't _truly_ being consumed.


Why do "official channels" matter? They're just sneakers.

And why brand dilution? Scalpers sell at a premium, not discounted.


Seems like a market problem. Why not auction the sneakers?


To be clear, I don’t have a horse in this particular race. I’m neither condemning nor condoning the market dynamics of sneaker arbitrage here. It’s just an example I’m very familiar with because I used to write scrapers and I’ve been offered silly amounts of money to make them for sneaker trading groups. Not as much as hedge funds will pay for writing crawlers for market research, but still more than you’d probably expect just so they can flip Supreme shirts and Yeezys faster than competitors. It’s ridiculous, but this is the world we live in. The point is simply that when the stakes are high (particularly when there is money to be made), stopping adversaries will be really, really difficult.

Back to the point at hand, I don’t like recaptcha in principle. But given my view from both sides of the table, it’s one of very few things that consistently works for sophisticated adversaries. It’s about as close to a silver bullet as they come, with the additional upside that it’s the absolute easiest thing to implement - in both an absolute sense and relative to the return. And once you have, most of what you can implement beyond recaptcha has diminishing returns in comparison.

All of that being said, I would be inclined to agree that most websites and apps don’t need recaptcha, simply because most of them aren’t worthwhile targets for the types of attacks recaptcha is singularly effective against.


Hedge fund paying for scrapers, is that a common thing these days? What kind of prices do they pay if I may ask?


Extremely common. Most hedge funds buy what's called "alternative data" from vendors who aggregate it, like 7Park. The data is collected by providers who collect it from location telemetry, web scraping, satellite imagery, etc. Scraping from web applications is one of the more common forms.

The more successful quant funds will often build out internal research teams to do this. For example, both Two Sigma and Millennium have (not so well advertised) research teams devoted to this kind of data collection internally.


The rapper Post Malone released a custom collaboration with Crocs and the shoe sold out in 24 hours, reselling on eBay for several hundred dollars.

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2018/11/02/post-malone-croc...




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