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Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she

With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”




International students at Princeton do not exactly qualify as wretched refuse. Almost all are going to be paying full fees; they’re from rich families.


Do you think the truly destitute get better treatment at our hands?

Do you think those words are inscribed on the base of the statue of liberty as a warning to the wealthy? A "keep out!" sign for the hopeful and striving students of the world?


It's such weird revisionism to think that the US was ever really enthused about welcoming immigrants. That's the ideal, but the reality is that people are clannish and tend towards a "fuck you, got mine" attitude.

It's more like pledging a fraternity; pay the dues, get shit on, go through the hazing, and eventually you come out the other side assimilated and ready to haze the next incoming pledge class.


It's ideal but we shouldn't worry about being ideal because we weren't in the past, hmm? Well, I reject entirely the thesis that because humans "tend toward" tribalism or selfishness or any other flaw we must abandon ourselves to the worst excesses of those impulses.

We can, and should, be better. I think that starts with not giving up on our ideals so timidly.


Is it really ideal to ever welcome outsiders with nothing at stake to run your parade?

Not disagreeing with your post


They don’t have MasterCard students?




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