> We also have multiple documented cases of "no-log VPNs" submitting their logs to law enforcement.
That's true. And so some of us go out of our way to name names. For example:
EarthVPN - user compromised by datacenter logs
HMA - retained logs, and provided them under UK court order
Proxy.sh - outed someone voluntarily, because they didn't like something he did
PureVPN - retained logs, and shared them with investigators
> Because my point was you have to trust either party.
That's true. Except when it isn't. If you use nested VPN chains, you don't need to trust any of the individual VPNs. It's not as anonymous as Tor, because it's static, and far less complicated to compromise. But it's at least 10x faster. And you can hit Tor through them, which protects you from evil entry guards.
That's true. And so some of us go out of our way to name names. For example:
EarthVPN - user compromised by datacenter logs
HMA - retained logs, and provided them under UK court order
Proxy.sh - outed someone voluntarily, because they didn't like something he did
PureVPN - retained logs, and shared them with investigators
> Because my point was you have to trust either party.
That's true. Except when it isn't. If you use nested VPN chains, you don't need to trust any of the individual VPNs. It's not as anonymous as Tor, because it's static, and far less complicated to compromise. But it's at least 10x faster. And you can hit Tor through them, which protects you from evil entry guards.