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There are several billion people on this planet. If we push out the asshole savants, then there will be room for the respectful savants who have been there all along.

There are too many well-educated, compassionate, clever people out there for “nobody else can do it but this specific abusive asshole” to stand up as an argument.



What is stopping the non-asshole savants from succeeding now? Would a lack of competition improve things further? And of course who decides who is an asshole and making sure they aren't the biggest one of all.

Also one is dealing with far ends of the bell curve by definition - there may not be a replacement with every desired trait. Overfiltering on the irrelevant is the action of literal historical losers like trying "German Physics" or Lysenkoism instead of Bourgeoisie genetics.

Not to mention there are plenty of non-savant assholes in charge - if we want to get rid off assholes wouldn't it make sense to oust the savants last as they have actual utility above the norm?


Why do you think the non-asshole savants aren't succeeding?


I think they are but they are also rarer although certainly not impossible.

Part of it might be the "unreasonable man" effect based upon the Shaw quote paraphrased as "A reasonable man adapts to the world while the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself - therefore all hope of progress rests upon the unreasonable man.

Essentially making advances ahead of everyone else requires disregarding what everybody else thinks and not being deterred. So not caring what the naysayers think kind of becomes a prerequisite. One can dissent and not be an asshole but patience is limited.

That can be a hazard for assholishness which combined with some level of obsessiveness means many probably fall into the category of being considered assholes rightfully or not.

The perception itself of being an asshole is itself biased towards the status quo - just look at Eartha Kitt's blackballing over answering the question of the why juvenile delinquency and disaffection was on the rise by pointing out the dissatisfaction over the Vietnam war and being called to give their lives for it.


If you push out the asshole "savants", you must also say farewell to all great things our civilization has to offer today: art, architecture, literature, technology and so on. Great achievers have rarely been driven by compassion.


I wonder what great historical works we would have today had aggressive assholes not taken the space of more compassionate contemporaries. Or do you truly think nothing of value would have been created by the considerable non-abusive population?


You can't go through a great lot of pain without the competitive drive, the hunger for greatness. In other primates, it's expressed in form of strength, in humans in the shape of great accomplishments.

If we were all nice people who don't mind being last, we wouldn't be "here" now.

Of course, the "non-abusive population" (you name it) have done great things, they help maniacally driven people like Musk to archive things, but they are the ones who lack the assertiveness and initiative, they're the cogs in the machine.


So what are you then, dgut? You seem to believe society is divided up between great men who do and lesser men who serve. Are you a top or a bottom? Ubermensch or Untermensch?


I'm just somebody who has lived enough to understand these complexities and appreciate people like Musk.

In my mind, this guy should just have "walked it off". But I've developed a thick skin because of my past.

The mind is delicate and fuzzy.


The real assholes are the german car company executives who kill people by lying about diesel exhaust of the cara they're manufacturing. I'm sure that they are nice with everybody, but their real toxic impact is so much bigger than Elon's, it's just uncomparable.


That's a really great point.




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