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If every person who voted for Johnson or Stein in 2016, which is what you’re advocating, had voted for Clinton, then she would’ve won the election and net neutrality would still be alive.



If half of the country who didnt vote at all voted for Cilton she'd be president. Don't yell at people who cast their vote for who they wanted to win. Work on getting the half of our country who didnt vote to vote.


> and net neutrality would still be alive.

Yes, I'm sure the Clinton administration would be completely free of any influence from corporate lobbyists.


Nice try on moving the goal posts!

Here's Clinton's stance in March 2016: https://thehill.com/policy/technology/257569-clinton-touts-n...

Here's what I wrote above:

Will you have issues with the person you're voting for? Probably. Should you vote for them anyway? Yes.


> Here's Clinton's stance in March 2016

Was that her public or her private stance?


That would not have happened because many people who voted for Johnson would have, if he had not been around, voted Republican. Libertarian ideals are considered acceptable, even attractive, by many Republicans, especially the financial and anti-regulation side. Admittedly there are very few who would have voted for Trump as an alternative to Stein, had she not been around.


100% of Stein voters and 24% of Johnson voters in Florida would've flipped that state.

88.6% of Stein voters in Pennsylvania would've flipped that state.

20.8% of Stein voters in Michigan would've flipped that state.

73% of Stein voters in Wisconsin would've flipped that state.


> 100% of Stein voters and 24% of Johnson voters in Florida would've flipped that state.

... assuming that the remaining 76% of Johnson voters abstained.

If 50% of libertarians and 100% of green voters voted Democrat, and the other 50% of libertarians voted Republican, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin would have gone to the Democrats, and nothing else would have changed.

If 30% of libertarians and 100% of green voters voted Democrat, and the other 70% of libertarians voted Republican, New Hampshire would have gone to the Republicans, and nothing else would have changed.

I suspect 30% is closer than 50% in terms of how many libertarians would have voted Republican if there was no libertarian option.

Source on calculations: run the following in the console on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidentia...

    // What fraction of Libertarians would vote Republican if they had
    // to choose between Democrats and Republicans
    var fracLToD = 0.3, fracLToR = 1 - fracLToD;
    // Same for Greens
    var fracGToD = 1.0, fracGToR = 1 - fracGToD;
    // Find the table
    var electionResultsTable = [].slice.call(document.querySelectorAll('table.wikitable'))
      .filter(t => t.querySelector('thead tr th.headerSort') && t.querySelector('thead tr th.headerSort').textContent.match(/^State/))[0];
    // Process
    [].slice.call(electionResultsTable.querySelectorAll('tr')) // Get rows
      .slice(2, -1) // Chop off header and footer
      .map(row => [].slice.call(row.querySelectorAll('td')).map(td => td.textContent)) // Get cell contents
      .map(cs => ({
        "state":cs[0],
        "d":parseInt(cs[2].replace(/,/g, ''))||0, // democrats
        "r":parseInt(cs[5].replace(/,/g, ''))||0, // republicans
        "l":parseInt(cs[8].replace(/,/g, ''))||0, // libertarians
        "g":parseInt(cs[11].replace(/,/g, ''))||0 // greens
      })) // grab the cols we care about
      .map(({state,d,r,l,g}) => ({
        state,
        d,
        r,
        l,
        g,
        // winnerWith3 is the winner as-is, with third parties
        winnerWith3:d > r ? 'd' : 'r',
        // winnerNo3 is the winner as-is, with third parties
        winnerNo3:d + l * fracLToD + g * fracGToD > r + l * fracLToR + g * fracGToR ? 'd' : 'r'
      }))
      // And grab the states where excluding third parties would have changed the results
      .filter(({winnerWith3, winnerNo3}) => winnerWith3 != winnerNo3)


> Libertarian ideals are considered acceptable, even attractive, by many Republicans

They're attractive as stump speeches platitudes about limited government and lower taxation. The second they're in office, there's suddenly lots of cash available for increased defense spending, agricultural subsidies and funding prosecutions for non-violent drug crimes.




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