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Wow, just like the old Evil Microsoft. They forgot something, though: Apple is no longer a negligible force. I wonder if this move will ultimately backfire.


I'm always greatly amused (and a little confused) when anyone mentions Apple as a force of good in the face of Microsoft.

What, exactly, did Apple ever do to make you believe that they are a benevolent force in the technology industry?


All I meant here was that they're a competitor. So if Microsoft gratuitously breaks some range of devices, users will have an alternative.

But Apple is a more benevolent force than Microsoft in that they owe their market share to the quality of their products rather than to taking over the PC standard from IBM.


Apple hasn't shown the slightest interest in the market. Their idea of a lightweight computer starts at $1800.

Meanwhile, Linux is eating their lunch in this segment.


Their idea of a lightweight computer starts at $1800.

Well, no. Apple's idea of a cheap, lightweight computer costs $300 to $500, fits in your pocket, and (optionally) doubles as a cellphone.

(If you don't agree with this interpretation of Apple's product line, wait a couple months after the official third-party iPhone apps arrive and consider it again...)

You can't type on the iPhone very quickly, of course. It won't run emacs or vi very well. It probably won't run a web development stack, or a decent Java compiler. So if what you really want is something like an EEE you should buy an EEE. There's no reason why Apple's idea of a cheap, lightweight computer should match yours...

Whether or not the iPhone is in the EEE's market segment depends on what you think that segment is. I'd say that it's squarely in the "super-light super-cheap portable box for checking mail and web" segment. If you're talking about the "light, cheap portable box for fixing your website via SSH from a coffeehouse in the Florida Keys" segment, it's a lot less clear.


If you can't run the software of your choice, it's not a computer, it's an appliance.


I'll grant that. But whether or not someone prefers the computer or the appliance depends on the software they choose.


I'm sure there is some substitution between the categories, but I guess I still think of them as pretty separate.

Pesonally, I have a phone that runs both ssh and vi (a Samsung i760 Windows Mobile 6 phone with a touchscreen and slideout keyboard), and I'm still interested in getting an Eee.


These appliances are connected devices, which means that all they need to be are small wireless dumb terminals. Increases in bandwidth and improvements in distributed computing (cloud computing to be buzzword compliant) will make this even more so.


That's reasonable. While Apple may not be a force for good, competition certainly is.


"What, exactly, did Apple ever do to make you believe that they are a benevolent force in the technology industry?"

Make really nice products.


That's actually a valid argument. I disagree (I will concede that they are extremely nice looking products, but in many other ways they are nearly as pitiable as Microsoft products), but it is certainly a valid position to take. And, of course, no one begrudges Apple making money (well, I don't anyway), I just don't think they are a benevolent factor in driving down the cost of computing, which was the original direction of this thread about ultra low cost computing.

Apple have as much motivation for systems to stay expensive as Microsoft does. The lower prices go, the larger the premium becomes for their products vs. one running an Open Source operating system. There certainly are companies pushing the price of computing downward, but Apple is not among them. Apple does, however, occupy a vital role in keeping Microsoft busy on the "expensive but pretty" front, while Asus and others chip away at the low end of the market, eating MS from the bottom...the very same way MS and the PC market ate the mini-computer and mainframe market from the bottom and the way MySQL is eating Oracle's market from the bottom. (I'm picturing Daniel Day Lewis with a really long straw at this point, though I don't know that that is an entirely apt analogy.)


Hmm. Somehow, I can't see Apple ever producing an "ultra cheap" computer. I hope you're right though. Who knows, maybe they'll make something 2-3 times the size of the iPhone... and a third of the price?




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