Nearly all of them would not be on a high carb diet even the herbivore gorilla does not get its energy from carbs:
The macronutrient profile of this diet would be as follows: 2.5% energy as fat, 24.3% protein, 15.8% available carbohydrate, with potentially 57.3% of metabolizable energy from short-chain fatty acids (SCFA) derived from colonic fermentation of fiber. Gorillas would therefore obtain considerable energy through fiber fermentation.
The largest macro nutrient of nearly all apes boils down to fatty acids just through various different mechanisms.
Even the fruits they eat at very different non-domesticated ripen fruit and pith isn’t rich in sugar it’s rich in fatty acids.
No offense but what ever vegan eat like an ape BS you’ve been sold on its categorically wrong.
The biggest thing these all “diets” ignore is the actual underlying energy mechanisms which change the macronutrient landscape of the diet completely as different apes and humans have different GI and metabolic paths.
Mighty interesting article, thanks for sharing. One problem I see is that the tools for counting nutrient intake (cronometer.com in my case) base on the nutrients before fermentation. I have no idea what fermentation happens in my body (I expect nothing close to that of a gorilla, but not sure either). It would still be HCLF by "intake" (while possible/potentially being HFLC by "uptake").
The article makes a suggestion ("potentially"), and does so for one type of gorilla (the foliage eating one). How can you generalize from this to all apes? Just curious.
Humans do not have the same metabolic paths as most apes, you cannot break down cellular walls and you don't create nutritionally significant amount of fatty acids in your intestines.
The fruits you eat are also rich in fructose since they are domesticated fruits this is in stark opposite to what "fruits" wild apes consume.
I'm not generalizing it for all apes because different apes have different diets and different metabolic paths chimps do not ferment cellulose in their colon but they do eat ripen fruit in which the fatty acids develop they also eat fruit which ferments on the ground, they also eat pith all of which is rich in lipids, when you discount the fiber in the chimp diet you will see that it's also nearly 50% lipids even when accounting for plant sources only and not them sucking the skulls of small monkeys for the juicy fatty acids that make up their brains (don't go looking for that, trust me this is something you cannot unsee...).
Human physiology is very different than that apes if we go back again to the gorilla then the small intestine and colon ratios are reversed in humans the small intestine is about 50% of the overall digestive tract in gorillas the colon is 50% that is because they get most of their nutrients from secondary fermentation where human physiology is centered nearly exclusively around absorbing available nutrients in the food hence why we also cook food and why eating raw vegan or raw anything is a terrible terrible idea.
Saying that our GIs are similar to apes is true but it's like saying that our muscular and skeletal systems are similar but the differences are still night and day. Our bodies are designed to consume ready to use nutrients and more importantly pre-processed nutrients (is suggest reading "Cooking as a biological trait") and to extract as much of them as possible in the shortest time as possible, we don't spend all our day eating and we don't eat 30-40kg of food a day even those of use that weight like a gorilla. Our GI is the gasoline engine while most apes are coal powered steam engines they both still use pistons and consume some form of hydrocarbons but put one in the other and the result will not be pretty.
> Our bodies are designed to consume ready to use nutrients and more importantly pre-processed nutrients
I find it hard to believe that we are designed to do something that we have later "designed" ourselves. I see cooking as a survival strategy, by which we have grown our habitat by a lot. I look at man as a tropical being, its the only place I can survive without cloths. In the tropics there is also fruits that man can gather/eat without the use of tech. Fruits, leaves, seeds and bugs. Therefor I expect that to be our diets (see bugs there? so not dogmatically vegan here). Also when I put together a diet of said ingredients in cronometer.com it adds up to what we know about RDIs nowadays.
I'l have a look at the book you recommended, tnx for that. Much appreciated.
We are designed that way - we have the largest small intestine of all apes, and i think it's also one of the largest (ratio wise) if not the largest of all omnivore mammals.
Comparison with apes: https://carta.anthropogeny.org/moca/topics/smalllarge-intest...
We didn't invent cooking there are good indications that our ancestors cooked food as early as 2m years ago, and cooking here is defined as chemical alteration limited to roasting or boiling.
In fact some animals technically "cook" as they intentionally let food undergo chemical changes and even induce it buy collecting, digging fermentation pits and even covering them with foliage to induce anaerobic fermentation.
Also the reason we are who we are and the rest of the apes are an evolutionary dead end is that we were better at exploiting our environment specifically better at extracting lipids and proteins which was beneficial for cognitive development.
How and what we eat is a the very core reason to why we are considerably more developed than the rest of our ape cibilings, and that is a very important fact to remember.
> How and what we eat is a the very core reason to why we are considerably more developed than the rest of our ape cibilings, and that is a very important fact to remember.
Thanks again. Why I agree, I also the the opposite. An sick and obese population. I see similarities with other animals that we feed (ie dogs). Humans and dogs are often in bad health at the end of our lives, while apes and wolves are doing well...
What do you think of this? BTW how did you get into this field, own interest (like me) or some formal studies?
(we're running out of replies, I may reply in some other way if you do not mind)
The population can get sick and obese and not die because we are not in the wilderness apes and wolves don’t have that great of a time they die the moment they become even remotely unfit.
For most apes in captivity the life expectancy is nearly 50% greater than those in the wild even those who are in reservations, for some it’s duble or more.
You will not find gorillas older than 30-35 years in the wild those in captivity live up to 50-60.
They are similar in the same fashion that most organs between apes and humans are similar but they are still very different in how they function and what they were designed to do, same goes for differences between all apes.
The not "other" primates. They humans using tech to survive in harsh conditions.
> The Neanderthals didn’t either. Hominids [...]
They dead! And hard to study as sibling poster shows.
Name one wild ape in one location not on HCLF please. I will change my understanding given proper evidence.