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Note that the Telegraph backed Brexit.


Anyone suggesting this as a reason Greece would have been better off outside the EU is out of their mind. As poorly as the EU performed during the financial crisis, nearly every member of the EU was better off inside rather than outside. There is a reason Turkey is so keen to get into the EU even after the crisis.

Also, while it’s correct the British media has been using the mistakes the EU made during the financial crisis (which were the same as the mistakes the British made, who self-imposed austerity and continue to do so), the reality is none of these actually apply to the UK which has its own currency and as a result has/had dramatically more financial freedom.

The UK essentially had the best of the EU and had avoided the worst of it. It’s amazinf that they voluntarily gave up that deal.


>There is a reason Turkey is so keen to get into the EU even after the crisis. //

Keen in the way a person who is shovelling doughnuts in to their face is keen to lose weight. They've done basically zero about major flaws that prevent their entry; indeed rather than stop human rights offenses Erdogan has multiplied them.


Is the Erdogan Turkey really keen on the EU?

To me, it seems more like Erdogan played the EU card to get internal and external critics off his back - and now that he has "consolidated" his support at home, he doesn't need the EU card, also you can only play it out so many times before it gets old.


> nearly every member of the EU was better off inside rather than outside

Is this true of current-day Greece (and future Greece, since things are only getting worse)?


The Greeks seem to think so.

In fact if I was Greek I would want to stay in the Euro zone (but keep my money in a German bank).


Remember this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_bailout_referendum,_2015

A "no" vote was seen as a "leave from the Euro zone" vote by the average citizen. It was the Greek government that ignored the referendum, not the Greeks.


A "no" vote was seen as a "leave from the Euro zone"

That wasn't what was on the ballot paper.


Ad hominem?


How is stating a possible bias an ad hominem? :)


Isn't that the very definition of ad hominem - drawing attention to the source of the material, rather than tackling the material itself?

Paul Graham's def: 'attacks the characteristics or authority of the writer without addressing the substance of the argument'

https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/how-to-disagree-well-7-of-t...


No, the Telegraph has a known anti-EU bias.


And? Some people would say it's 'known' that CNN is fake news. That statement and yours are equal in nature - neither of them tell us anything useful about the content in question.


They're not equal. British newspapers on both sides have well known biases that they're pretty open about.




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