So no comment on that 30% of income spent for public schools?
> You mean an incredibly sub-par education for kids key formative years!
This just sounds like scapegoating. I think the subpar education of public schools is not caused by immigration. Public schooling needs massive changes, immigration or not.
> It's an easy justification to make - you just don't care because you aren't personally impacted.
No, I'm caring about the kids of illegal immigrants as well as kids in the US. I don't value people differently by nationality or the status of their parents. And I value severity over quantity generally when it comes to moral issues.
> Why not seek to solve the issue - perhaps in other ways?
Again, I'm all for solving it, but I don't see how this was justified at all. Mind you, we don't even have any tangible numbers on the effects of this policy.
All of the studies on poor/insufficient teacher pay, the funneling of money away from public K-12 schools, the personal experiences of many around me, some from California public schools, broken incentives from pushes for standardized testing from administrations the past two decades. The list goes on. And now you're going to say that immigration is anything significant compared to all of that?
> All the evidence points to it being a key problem.
All the evidence I have been asking for and you have not given?
> You seem to be using your feelings as the barometer. Reality is not so simple.
I'm sorry but having empathy for others is not judging severity on feelings.
> We know that a poor education significantly increases the likelihood you will get involved in crime, go to prison, live in poverty, etc.
Yes, having non-native English speakers in your school will cause your life to be ruined. Of course. Again, we're going to have to disagree on the effects here. This isn't going anywhere. The retreat to "you're bringing feelings into this" says a lot.
> Would a strong negative correlation between number of non-English speakers at a school and school performance convince you?
Somewhat, once also adjusted for funding per student, pay of teachers, all those other factors.
> And then once you have been convinced what will convince you that the most just and moral approach is strict border security?
There's a difference between strict and inhumane border security. You act as if we have to pick one. I don't think you'd ever convince me on that front because I can picture so many better options to this policy. There is no obligation or moral requirement that we cause this harm due to lack of any other options.
> You mean an incredibly sub-par education for kids key formative years!
This just sounds like scapegoating. I think the subpar education of public schools is not caused by immigration. Public schooling needs massive changes, immigration or not.
> It's an easy justification to make - you just don't care because you aren't personally impacted.
No, I'm caring about the kids of illegal immigrants as well as kids in the US. I don't value people differently by nationality or the status of their parents. And I value severity over quantity generally when it comes to moral issues.
> Why not seek to solve the issue - perhaps in other ways?
Again, I'm all for solving it, but I don't see how this was justified at all. Mind you, we don't even have any tangible numbers on the effects of this policy.