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Microsoft workers celebrated Windows Phone 7 RTM with iPhone hearses (neowin.net)
33 points by rbanffy on Sept 10, 2010 | hide | past | favorite | 39 comments


It's really encouraging to see signs of life in Microsoft's culture. I've never been a real fan of their products, but hopefully if some of this fun, creative energy makes it's way into the user experience.

That being said, whenever anyone declares any product dead I cringe a little.


I knew the iPhone well. We were great friends for a long time. This is absolutely terrible news -- has it been confirmed anywhere else?

The only reason I ask is because IE6 was supposed to have died last year but 11% of our users still use it.

http://ie6funeral.com/


Zombie IE6 is a terrifying thought.


It shows 11% of your users either don't know how or don't have the permission to change their browser (or install a good one).


Where was the Microsoft funeral for the Kin?


It's in bad taste to poke fun at a still birth.


So no Android?

It's either Microsoft thinks Android will not gain significant market share like what they thought about the IPhone (http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2007/04/ballmer-says-i...) or it thinks they cannot kill Android.


Android is Linux. From what I've seen of Microsoft's marketing against competitors, there strategy is to pretend that Linux does not exist.


Or they think Android will be the easier of the two to kill. Or the less interesting of the two. Or the less profitable. Or the less symbolic. Or it's their second milestone. Or . . . well, you get the picture.


They going to keep the hearse around?


Don't get too excited about WP7, for example the IE Mobile will be based on a mixed of IE7 and IE8...


At least Windows Mobile is no longer using IE6. Gasp!


I'll believe it when I see it.

Looking at the windows 7 demos on video it's very clear they've spectacularly missed the mark. It's like a really bad version of Windows media centre, which I accidentally had the displeasure of trying to setup today when hooking my new XBox up to my PC.

They may think it's good, but really what will happen is that it won't sell and they'll look like idiots, again. Whoever headed up the XBox should immediately be promoted into Ballmer's postion, his effigy should be burnt and then maybe they'll be ready to move on and be a real tech company again.


Whoever headed up the XBox should immediately be promoted into Ballmer's postion, his effigy should be burnt and then maybe they'll be ready to move on and be a real tech company again.

Bad news: they fired J Allard back in May.


It was fair. He was making his peers look bad before the shareholders.


>Whoever headed up the XBox should immediately be promoted into Ballmer's postion

I think those guys have already left MS in the past few months - Bach, Allard, Vrignaud...


More like foolishly fired by Ballmer, which was too bad, losing Bach and Allard in particular really hurts them.


Ballmer did what he thought protected his job. How long would Ballmer last if he had to be compared to them?


Haha,yeah no kidding.


Yeah, because pop culture and how cool you think a guy is really matters. In the mean time since he has been CEO Microsoft has doubled their profit. Metrics matter.


To be fair, merely doubling profits doesn't mean much. It's his performance against the average CEO's that yields a comparison that makes sense. Has the number of personal computers active in the world only doubled since he took the helm? If so, I suppose that doubling MS's profits is acceptable. But I'd be surprised if engagement with computing devices has only doubled, so it's possible he's underperforming expectations.


In the last 10 years would you like to estimate how much the computer industry sector has grown? Double or would I hazard a guess at significantly more?

So, put it into context and doubling the profits is pretty pathetic.


They have held their PC market share in tact so regardless how much the market has grown they have gone with it. Pretty hard to push past 80+ % share.


The important thing from my standpoint as an investor is that the CEO "show me the money." Whether that's in terms of profits distributed as dividends, or as a growth in the value of my equity, it doesn't matter, but it has to happen some way. If it doesn't, I'm pretty disappointed. How much value has Ballmer created for his shareholders over the past ten years? Does it compare well to other companies with stable market shares in their primary line of business? These are the questions that interest me, not merely whether he's been able to maintain a market share status quo. That's the baseline of competency, not a sign of success.


The grade is curved, though, and Ballmer's a hell of a long way from the top.


Maybe you should wait for the real thing before you start judging with videos ;-)

Disclaimer: I have an iphone (but that doesn't stop me from being excited)


I've seen it (read: I've actually used it).

It's solid - I'm not sure what everyone is going on about saying it's the world's most terrible UI. I didn't require any instruction at all figuring it out - it's mostly pretty intuitive. Some weird corners and quirks, but that's MS for ya. There are some cool tricks with the software keyboard that even the iPhone doesn't have.

That being said, an iPhone killer it is not. It's more responsive than most Android devices, but the fit and finish isn't quite there to really go toe to toe with the iPhone. It's also missing some pretty key functionality that is now common in the market (read: multitasking).

Also, its chief advantage here seems to be responsiveness. It's bloody fast, and that's a good thing... but it seems that a lot of the speed comes from first party apps being written in native code. Third party apps will be 100% .NET, and it remains to be seen if the same speedy user experience can be maintained in the third party realm.

[edit] The unified contacts thing in WP7 is really cool, and something I wish Apple would copy (but they probably won't). Having the phone be able to unify my friend's twitter, facebook, and address book entries is pretty slick.

I know, webOS had it first ;) It was cool then, it's still cool now, and I wonder why Android and iPhone haven't gone in this direction at all.


I think 3rd party app performance is going to be less about the runtime and more about how well it is coded. The raw perf difference between native and silverlight for something like UI is negligible.


Certainly for UI or high-level logic it's not going to make a big difference... but my impression is that there won't be any native code allowed, which is a stark contrast to both iPhone and Android.

If I need to write some performance-intensive bits of code, I won't be able to on WP7. Lots of the more novel/intensive applications (e.g., real time image analysis from your camera) will not be possible, or at least will suffer a significant usability hit compared to their speedier Apple/Google counterparts.


Certain proc intensive stuff could be hampered but this is all guessing until about 3 months from now.


I can appreciate that it's the platform team having some fun for shipping... but this is gonna be pretty embarrassing if WinPhone 7 tanks.


Not if, but when.


Back when WM was just a baby a fired Nokia engineer started a site claiming that WM would overtake Symbian any day now..

Its several years later and good many MobileMonday members have laughed at that time and time again..

My prediction WM8 will be MS buying RIM..in 18 months or less


Why no Android or Symbian? Are they giving up on those?



You almost can't make stuff up that good.


"Win Phone sex? The killer app?"

I LOL'ed


What, did you expect a Win7 phone would be taking them? When they only just RTM'd it?


Maybe WinMo 6.5? I guess even Microsoft employees can't quite stomach that.




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