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Many people have complained about the Rust Evangelism Strikeforce, but the few nim users here on HN are taking it to the next level…



I don't think that's fair towards GP – they only provided a data point using a language that is competing with Rust in some areas.

(Unless I misread your comment, and "RustEvStrFo" doesn't have the same negative connotation to you...)


You're right, it not really nice on that specific comment. I just noticed this trend the past few months, and this time I reacted.

Edit: if you look at the commenter's profile, you'll see that he does that really often, on threads talking about Rust, Go or C. I think the comparison to the Rust Evangelism Strikeforce holds.


I think there is a difference between a core developer of Nim (me) trying to raise some awareness, by showing how easy it is to achieve what the article achieves in Nim, vs. a random developer proclaiming "Why haven't you written this in Rust?".

Isn't that what the Rust Evangelism Strikeforce is known for?


It's what people think the "RESF" does, but as is consistently mentioned whenever it is brought up, there seems to be more people replying to any comment about Rust with complaints of "RESF" (even if the original comment is just "trying to raise some awareness", etc.) than people actually proposing rewriting anything/everything in Rust.

In any case, I think being a core developer on something means a much higher bar for accuracy/relevance/general public behaviour when discussing it and its competitors: everything one says about the project is a semi-official representation of it. Certainly the Rust core developers try to be careful about conveying an accurate picture of costs as well as benefits when answering questions or correcting misconceptions[1]. That is certainly something I found weighed on my mind a lot when I was on the Rust teams: anything I said about it could become part of "the Rust project" (as an idea people have) itself.

[1]: One extra point is that, IME, this is often how Rust team members interact with social media: they won't be the first person to bring up Rust in a thread. Of course, it's fair to say that Rust has a bigger mindshare and more people outside the project team members will bring it up/compare to it than Nim, but one possible alternative approach to awareness is more whole threads (i.e. submitted articles) about Nim rather than just comments within threads about other technologies.

(To be clear, this is just a reply to the parent comment, I'm not trying to say the original Nim comment was "NESF"-ish or "RiiN".)


> there seems to be more people replying to any comment about Rust with complaints of "RESF"

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/83n32i/the_def...


I didn't say it didn't happen. I acknowledge it, and I've even personally written many, many comments calling out/correcting comments that are too enthusiastic in their promotion of Rust.

In any case, for that specific comment, see Steve's analysis in response to your ping:

> But a brand new account with three trolly comments is different than an actual Rust advocate. Just like I'd ignore our local anti-rust trolls, I'd also ignore any pro-Rust trolls.


Binary size was one of the main reasons I started using Nim.


I'm sorry if I offended you so much you had to revive a dormant account that had been untouched for 4 years.


It's a perfectly valid comparison though.

Your comment on the other hand...


And, with every single of your comments being related to the Nim language, I guess you are objective.




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